New terror attacks warning - Israelis and other westerners

cityMONK · Sep 25th, 2009, 02:16

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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

China cannot occupy India, India cannot occupy Pakistan, there are international pressures. So have fun.

But can pakistan occupy some of india as before, and india occupy some parts of china as never before.

Aupmanyav · Sep 25th, 2009, 18:15

India ceded some indefensible territory in Checken's Neck in Jammu in a previous war with Pakistan. We would like to regain Aksai Chin from China, who knows we might strike gold there (14,000 sq. km.). :thinkin:

alouise · Sep 25th, 2009, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Taj Mahal is high on the hit list. There have been many attacks on mosques, Delhi, Hyderabad, Bhiwandi, and Samjhouta Express (the government has tried to implicate hindu groups for this, but till now they have not been successful). The aim of the terrorists is to incite communal disturbances, the target or the victims, whether hindus or muslims, do not matter.Do you really believe India would do that? If India was that smart, terrorism would not have survived this long. The Indian response is to garner international pressure, and India has been quite successful in that.

The western (and Australian) intelligence reports and travel advisories are bullshit and motivated.

Motivated by what? Surely not to keep their citizens at home so as to boost the domestic travel industry? I mean, no chance of that. Going OS is part of the "walkabout" culture. But perhaps the perspective on what can be regarded as a safe or otherwise destination is a bit distorted by living in a fairly non-eventful place. In this regard, Australia does fail to match India in its annual incidence of bomb blasts, so any land with a greater than zero incidence could be seen as risky and present a compelling reason for the Australian government to issue a travel warning against travelling into such a high risk area.

alouise · Sep 25th, 2009, 18:57

Although this may stir many Indian IM-er who've had to in some way endure the legacy of partition, which was a great tragedy for all concerned, may be the time has arrived now we're in the 21 st century to take stock of this sad history and let the people decide. I'm an outsider, admittedly, but at the same time Indian nationalism has not shaped my view of this conflict, nor has Pakistani nationalism. While I don't believe it's valid in this case to draw parallels with the land grab between Israel and Palestine, there is room to consider or reflect on the motives that drive this continuing border threat facing India. Just food for thought.

LilBoy BigTown · Sep 25th, 2009, 19:10

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Originally Posted by alouise

Motivated by what? Surely not to keep their citizens at home so as to boost the domestic travel industry? I mean, no chance of that. Going OS is part of the "walkabout" culture. But perhaps the perspective on what can be regarded as a safe or otherwise destination is a bit distorted by living in a fairly non-eventful place. In this regard, Australia does fail to match India in its annual incidence of bomb blasts, so any land with a greater than zero incidence could be seen as risky and present a compelling reason for the Australian government to issue a travel warning against travelling into such a high risk area.

I would have to disagree with you there. Australia of all countries has been way too finicky with their travel advisories. It isn't recent either, the australian davis cup team didn't turn up for their tie in Chennai few months ago. Totally unwarranted act, more recently the Victorian premier cancelled his Mumbai trip for fear of attacks.

I mean he went their to lure students, saying its only a few people causing trouble and we shouldn't let these people win, so keep coming. I wonder if he isn't letting the terrorists win by cancelling his Mumbai trip. Don't understand at all.

alouise · Sep 25th, 2009, 19:53

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Originally Posted by LilBoy BigTown

I would have to disagree with you there. Australia of all countries has been way too finicky with their travel advisories. It isn't recent either, the australian davis cup team didn't turn up for their tie in Chennai few months ago. Totally unwarranted act, more recently the Victorian premier cancelled his Mumbai trip for fear of attacks.

I mean he went their to lure students, saying its only a few people causing trouble and we shouldn't let these people win, so keep coming. I wonder if he isn't letting the terrorists win by cancelling his Mumbai trip. Don't understand at all.

Well, perhaps Premier John Brumbi, having somewhat more immediate access re. foreign intelligence reporting, could be more in the loop than the average Australian tourist like you or me? Similarly the cancellation of the Chennai visit. These precautions may well seem unwarranted in retrospect, that is, when nothing has come to pass, but the fact is you and I are most likely not in a better position than ASIO to be able to know any of this this beforehand.

Aupmanyav · Sep 25th, 2009, 20:45

Problem is in Australia, it is their way to equalize (any thing would do), and we understand. Next time, Indian students can go elsewhere.

alouise, we understand that too. Bangladesh, more than Kashmir. Only Kashmir is the most accessible. Fake currency, aid to separatist groups in India. But let them keep it up. It is not going to pull down India.

cityMONK · Sep 25th, 2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by LilBoy BigTown

I would have to disagree with you there. Australia of all countries has been way too finicky with their travel advisories. It isn't recent either, the australian davis cup team didn't turn up for their tie in Chennai few months ago. Totally unwarranted act, more recently the Victorian premier cancelled his Mumbai trip for fear of attacks.

I mean he went their to lure students, saying its only a few people causing trouble and we shouldn't let these people win, so keep coming. I wonder if he isn't letting the terrorists win by cancelling his Mumbai trip. Don't understand at all.

Now that makes sense.
It is all about money honey. Diplomats and Ministers from developed countries come to India and say good things in support of India and condemn cross border terrorism. On way back home they also visit Pakistan and Say good things about efforts of government and promise to protect them, from external pressures, at any cost. In process, enjoying Hospitality & Orders from both countries. Old story of MONKEY AND TWO CATS.

edwardseco · Sep 27th, 2009, 04:03

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We would like to regain Aksai Chin from China

Just a chuckle, it was a rout last time and things haven't improved.

However, its irrelevant to the OP. Its perfectly safe to visit India and the relative risk levels haven't changed. If you want risk walk downtown LA on a weekend near the Federal Correctional Institution..

Aupmanyav · Sep 27th, 2009, 12:43

It was sure that last time (1962) with Nehru saying that there was no incursion and the army chief pretending ill in Delhi. Now they say things have improved. Perhaps we can get Aksai Chin on a negotiating table.

edwardseco · Sep 29th, 2009, 08:10

Actually, the Chini seem to want most of northeast India! Seems that they will take a pass on Kolkatta though. Only God could rule that city.?

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Sep 25th, 2009, 18:15	#92
Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 607	India ceded some indefensible territory in Checken's Neck in Jammu in a previous war with Pakistan. We would like to regain Aksai Chin from China, who knows we might strike gold there (14,000 sq. km.). :thinkin:

Sep 25th, 2009, 18:57	#94
alouise Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: sydney Posts: 822	Although this may stir many Indian IM-er who've had to in some way endure the legacy of partition, which was a great tragedy for all concerned, may be the time has arrived now we're in the 21 st century to take stock of this sad history and let the people decide. I'm an outsider, admittedly, but at the same time Indian nationalism has not shaped my view of this conflict, nor has Pakistani nationalism. While I don't believe it's valid in this case to draw parallels with the land grab between Israel and Palestine, there is room to consider or reflect on the motives that drive this continuing border threat facing India. Just food for thought.

Sep 25th, 2009, 20:45	#97
Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 607	Problem is in Australia, it is their way to equalize (any thing would do), and we understand. Next time, Indian students can go elsewhere. alouise, we understand that too. Bangladesh, more than Kashmir. Only Kashmir is the most accessible. Fake currency, aid to separatist groups in India. But let them keep it up. It is not going to pull down India.

Sep 27th, 2009, 12:43	#100
Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 607	It was sure that last time (1962) with Nehru saying that there was no incursion and the army chief pretending ill in Delhi. Now they say things have improved. Perhaps we can get Aksai Chin on a negotiating table.

Sep 29th, 2009, 08:10	#101
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 5,845	Actually, the Chini seem to want most of northeast India! Seems that they will take a pass on Kolkatta though. Only God could rule that city.?