Grand Himalayan Road Tour (GHiRT)- What to Visit?

brownboy66 · Mar 24th, 2008, 20:26

Hi Guys

Interesting thread. Your discussion is pretty far advanced - but this might help....

http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/difference_4WD_awd.html

Its explains the difference between 4WD and AWD, and why AWD is not as good a full time or part time 4 wheel drive. Even then without diff locks its still possible to get stuck in your 4wd (have done that a few times).

puchoo · Mar 24th, 2008, 23:27

See...what did i tell ya guys!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by praks

Modern 4WDs are quite fuel efficient, especially the ones with CRDI diesel engines. Weight being equal, a 4WD in 2WD mode will be as fuel efficient as a 2WD under any of the above circumstances.

shashank.aggarwal · Mar 25th, 2008, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by praks

Modern 4WDs are quite fuel efficient, especially the ones with CRDI diesel engines. Weight being equal, a 4WD in 2WD mode will be as fuel efficient as a 2WD under any of the above circumstances.

You mean to say that a car with 4WD capabilities would have the same weight as the same car without 4WD capabilities...??

shashank.aggarwal · Mar 25th, 2008, 00:33

Infact i just read the Scorpio specs...it has a Modern CRDI engine, however the difference is 100 kg between a 4WD and 2WD only car..

puchoo · Mar 25th, 2008, 00:41

thats what one is trying to say.... if you compare , hypothetically, a car with a 4WD option fitted with one which does not (both being same models), then its not a fair comparion because one of them is inherently heavy...so dont compare it to a 2WD , compare it to another 4 WD.....

Dilliwala · Mar 25th, 2008, 02:21

It's perfectly ok to compare 2wd to 4wd for both the capital investment and the running costs, after all at least the extra investment needs to be worth it. Unless one is like those guys puchoo mentioned who wud probably engage 4wd to go to Sohna

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BUT, 100 kg is not going to make a big dent in the pocket - seems Mahindra was BS'ing me. After all that dealer only sells Bolero and wud obviously like me to buy from them.

shashank.aggarwal · Mar 25th, 2008, 08:49

Puchoo, the comparison we were making was if it was worthy enough to invest the money in a 4 WD..and there are various factors being evaluated..

puchoo · Mar 25th, 2008, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dilliwala

I Unless one is like those guys puchoo mentioned who wud probably engage 4wd to go to Sohna

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puchoo · Mar 25th, 2008, 10:30

there should be a solid reason for going in for a 4WD...if there is- then the genuine buyer would not consider a 2 WD....

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

Puchoo, the comparison we were making was if it was worthy enough to invest the money in a 4 WD..and there are various factors being evaluated..

shashank.aggarwal · Mar 25th, 2008, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by puchoo

there should be a solid reason for going in for a 4WD...if there is- then the genuine buyer would not consider a 2 WD....

Thats very true..and we were trying to understand the factors that would influence that decision...

puchoo · Mar 25th, 2008, 10:42

yes and the single most important one being.... how much does one needit...?? what is the amount of driving involved per year on roads which warrant a 4 WD....?....

....and it seems a logical decision....except that there seem to be enough buyers around whose sole decision for buying a 4 WD is to possibly boast about it and have a big 4 X 4 sticker at the back.... and then they complain...??

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

Thats very true..and we were trying to understand the factors that would influence that decision...

AvidTrekker · Mar 25th, 2008, 12:14

Guys, read these high tech discussions on Team BHP Forum..

Motoring in the Himalayas

Test drive in a Gurkha: Mother of all SUVs

Recommendations for a 4WD

The very first test drive of the 4WD Gama

ENJOY !!!

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praks · Mar 25th, 2008, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

You mean to say that a car with 4WD capabilities would have the same weight as the same car without 4WD capabilities...??

No, I don't. The 4WD will weigh more because of additional components. We were talking about fuel efficiency there. A 4WD is not necessarily less fuel efficient than a 2WD.

ks_bluechip · Mar 25th, 2008, 20:17

This 2WD Vs 4WD seems to be an endless one

.... Ok no problem ..... but Guys, while you continue with your 4 Vs 2 debate ... can you also give your expert comments on the Route (that I posted, way back in post #46?) aspects too ... Thanks

praks · Mar 25th, 2008, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ks_bluechip

This 2WD Vs 4WD seems to be an endless one

.... Ok no problem ..... but Guys, while you continue with your 4 Vs 2 debate ... can you also give your expert comments on the Route (that I posted, way back in post #46?) aspects too ... Thanks

Apologies,ks, we did seem to get carried away with the 2WD v/s 4WD issue. WRT your post #46, Spiti Valley is definitely worth visiting. So the route could be Keylong - Gramphoo - Chhatru - Kaza - Sumdo - Puh - Rekong Peo - Rampur - Sainj, from where you may go to Manali or to Shimla.

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brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,137	Hi Guys Interesting thread. Your discussion is pretty far advanced - but this might help.... http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/difference_4WD_awd.html Its explains the difference between 4WD and AWD, and why AWD is not as good a full time or part time 4 wheel drive. Even then without diff locks its still possible to get stuck in your 4wd (have done that a few times).

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shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,154	Infact i just read the Scorpio specs...it has a Modern CRDI engine, however the difference is 100 kg between a 4WD and 2WD only car..

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puchoo Maha Guru Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Delhi & Himachal Pradesh (Shimla) Posts: 3,407	thats what one is trying to say.... if you compare , hypothetically, a car with a 4WD option fitted with one which does not (both being same models), then its not a fair comparion because one of them is inherently heavy...so dont compare it to a 2WD , compare it to another 4 WD.....

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Dilliwala Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dilli Posts: 3,220	It's perfectly ok to compare 2wd to 4wd for both the capital investment and the running costs, after all at least the extra investment needs to be worth it. Unless one is like those guys puchoo mentioned who wud probably engage 4wd to go to Sohna . BUT, 100 kg is not going to make a big dent in the pocket - seems Mahindra was BS'ing me. After all that dealer only sells Bolero and wud obviously like me to buy from them.

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shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,154	Puchoo, the comparison we were making was if it was worthy enough to invest the money in a 4 WD..and there are various factors being evaluated..

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