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Travelling tips for women
This is going to be a long post on what you should and shouldn't do in
India, geared especially towards woman travelling singly or with someone. I believe there are very few posts which address this issue and I'll try to lay all the cards on the table and it's going to be stark! First, don't come alone. Period. India, travelling alone is a hit or miss affair; Every time I read stories in the paper about women being assaulted, I cringe & there's this sinking feeling in my heart, as if I was personally responsible. I'm not trying to excuse the crime here but the combination of poverty, education and mis-translation of cultural cues ALWAYS sends the wrong signals throughout the country whether it's in J&K or in TamilNadu. By mis-translation, take one example. Most English movies screened here are the usual ones along with lots of pr0n. As an aside, a lot of the arthouse(especially those other than English) movies are shown in seedy cinemas because of the umm... controversial content? :-) What impression does the cumulative impact of BayWatch, pr0n and hit movies create in a society where there is a overt division of sexes? To put it bluntly, the thinking is along the lines of; all foreign women are of loose morals otherwise why would they travel alone? What follows is a long list, feel free to observe it at your will. Your mileage might vary. a) Wear long sleeved dresses, preferable ones which *don't* which show the inner garments. Your best bet is cotton dresses from Khadi emporium which offers good ones for women or salwar kameezes. Being covered also helps against sunburn. Please don't take this to an extreme & end up burqa-like, the idea of modesty differs from *your* standards by a large margin. For heaven's sake, don't go around in shorts! This suggestion will seem ludicrous in cities when you see hip Indian girls make you look positively Victorian! But if you have any idea of the kaleidoscope that's my country, one brush does not an experience make. b) Don't take the aisle seats in buses, you're better off with the window seats, less likely to be brushed against. If you're travelling with a companion, again, take the window seat. In Tamil Nadu, usually the front and the left seat lanes are reserved for women in the city buses(they would be marked with pictures of women on the wall above the window). Please ask the conductor or the bus driver for a seat if you can't get one, they'll usually oblige. If the bus is crowded, get in the front, & stay among women, you're less likely to be groped AKA "eve-teasing"(one aspect of it). If you still get groped, scream and raise hell especially in the bus(for that matter, anywhere)! That usually does the trick as the perpetrators are cowards. c) To avoid hawkers, wear sunglasses AND keep walking. When asking for directions or simply talking to someone, take them off and converse. It's disconcerts a lot of people as they can't discern emotion. d) Forget about smoking or drinking in public, it only fuels the stereotype; do it in the privacy of your room or in a bar where you can see other women do it. If you're the person who's into drugs & rave scenes, this advice is certainly not for you. As far as I'm concerned, you're already too far out and too addled to bother with the brain being deep-fried and all that. Being spaced out in your country is one thing but getting stoned out here is <shrug>...is way out of my league for rational behaviour & discussion. BTW, rest assured, I'm not into the morality of your actions. e) Restrooms. Few and far between; dirty is an understatement. So ablutions should, nay MUST be planned and bladder control world records will be set....by you. Every day! Men have it easy. Ask your companion! f) Lock your rooms and case(as in check the windows, doors etc) out your rooms before you do anything naughty. When you answer the door, revealing attire does not send the right message, especially to room boys who are the grapevine in any hotel. Comprenez vous? g) Inform someone, anyone, of your days' whereabouts. This is not Big Brother; like you, the hotelier likes trouble even less; so it's in your best interest to let people know you're off to the Taj & will be back by eight o' clock in the evening. That way, someone's got a vested interest in knowing when you'll vacate the room and will suitably panic if you don't turn up. The other side being it gives someone enough time to raid your luggage, eh? Seriously, everytime my friend gets inside a taxi/cab, she'll loudly state that she'll call me from her house once she reaches home. She doesn't but that was for the cab driver and not for me. h) Smart thing is to join the ladies queue for train/bus tickets and procure tickets for self and companion; it's faster and safer. i) Haggle everywhere and preferably take an Indian with you. While the negotiation will be between you and the seller,it will prevent you from getting ripped off. Ask the guide upfront about reasonable prices. One chap told me this in Agra;(I don't speak Hindi though I can u'stand snatches of it) He said, he can tell me the price ranges of souvenirs but he can't step in for me because he's a guide and he's got to meet the same hawkers everyday and so can't take up cudgels on my behalf. The flip side is, they could be in collusion which you wouldn't have figured out till you compared prices! j) Cleanliness. Keep at it everyday. It's hot, humid and dusty, great combination for getting a tropical skin disease and the itches. Bathe(as in shower) and bathe again; Urinary tract infection are among the most common afflictions for women here in India. As an aside(I keep coming up with these off-beat stories, don't I?), some doctors are circumspect about telling the menfolk about UTI of their wives because they end up suspecting their fidelity with disastrous consequences; more so if he's a drunkard and a low income earner. k) Women can also pick, steal and spot an opportunity. Take a look at the mug shots when you go to the nearest police station. l) Pan-handling. If a gaggle of them come at you, sure they all look sweet and all in need of help, don't lose you TCs, money-bag et al. in the distraction of making them deliriously happy handing out cash and candy. m) Get yourself a mobile phone(pre-paid or pay as you go as it's called in Europe). It helps. o) Don't do anything your mother wouldn't do! This advice is moot as you're already in India. :-) This is mentioned for the sake of completeness. p) Overt friendliness *will* be mis-construed! The attitude to adopt will be that of the women in Poirot detective dramas currently being shown on ITV but a lot softer. You don't have to murder & scheme of course, that's er... optional. q) Talk to Indian women about safe ways of doing things. You'll get to make friends as well as help for things you'd be embarrassed to ask anyone else. r) Beware the foreign friend syndrome. In all innocence, you might become zoo exhibit 'A' to an Indian who'll proudly announce to his friends and foes alike about his newly acquired ' Foreign Friend'! Down that path lies ersatz stardom, embarrassment, personal questions, loads of good food, laughter, fun and even more chances of becoming ' Foreign Friend' to strangers. We are like this only! s) Read the newspapers everyday. We have this habit of having riots/mayhem/carnage/strikes/hartal because someone abused a leader/broke a mosque/ burnt a temple/assaulted the bus driver/ road accident/government increased taxes/lowered taxes/ declared that some tribe/community is *not* backward enough(you read that right). That means that day is free for all in every sense of the word, so please don't get caught in one. Unfortunately, it's a bit like the weather forecast by your favourite newscaster, we don't know when it'll break loose. Hell, by definition was created here. We do more by apathy than by intent. t) & what did you mother say about accepting food from strangers? u) If you're single and in a bar, someone will make a pass at you. The Good, Bad and the Boorish. Laugh at the last 2, they'll forever remember it and won't ever try that again. Invasion of physical space is a crime, so create a scene if they act up. "don't touch me!" loudly enough will give you time till the next sozzled idiot comes at you. Pub scene in UK but with less tact & grace! Not withstanding all these dire warnings, it's not so bad as its written. Just take all the precautions you'd take in, say New York, Soho, Glasgow, Amsterdam but the fact that the blokes are shouting, staring and gesticulating in four different languages and you *might* be the object of the problem requires additions to the rule book. India is a crazy place, best for people who don't like order in their lives. A couple of weeks ago, I was in Brighton; took 3 trains to reach there without doing much of planning or anything. One of the most antiseptic trips I ever took. Nothing happened. Was there for the weekend, went to the beach, saw a crowd sun-bathing on the beach like stranded whales; wandered through a couple of shops selling the same knick-knacks. & to think I saw a heaving mass of people doing the same lemming like activity....I made back to my place in the dead of the night none the wiser for my experience. It takes very little to go from SNAFU(Situation Normal ALL F**ked Up) to FUBAR(F**ked Up Beyond Recognition) cheers, Digital Drifter p.s these are not absolutes, feel free to scorn them. You know where to send bouquets & brickbats, I suppose. |
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Oh, this is great! I am a middle aged woman travelling to India alone in less than 2 months. I won't be visiting nightclubs but will be in taxis, trains, and buses. Probably staying in small hotels or guesthouses would be the best. Or possibly homestays if possible. Any suggestions for Northern India...Delhi, Agra, Amristar, Dharmsala, Pushkar, Jaisalmer, Jaipur, Udaipur and points in between?
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All pretty good advice digital drifter but beware all reading this, much of this portraits the worse case scenarios during a trip around India.
So don't panic you may run into one or all of these problems as a woman traveller in India but equally you may not experience any of these things. digital's advice is sound but these are by no means the norms, simply things that may go wrong on trip to India. Waiting for or expecting all these things to transpire may well have an impact on your enjoyment of a trip around India, keep things in perspective and Enjoy!! Would you agree with that assertion digital?? That said you are now aware of the various scams and mindsets of some rogue Indians and are therefor better equipped to avoid such scenarios!!! Cheers digital drifter!! |
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bang a whore? Bangalore Dammit!
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That was a mix of common sense(which is neither) suggestions and worse case scenarios that I was pointing out. Others have rightly said, it's not that bad as it's written out to be. As a general rule of thumb, you're safe in a crowd except that you don't know who whacked your purse! :-) Relax.
All I was trying to say was: be alert. Don't know how the threading works on this forum but this was meant for Kailas cheers, Digital Drifter Last edited by Digital Drifter : Sep 6th, 2004 at 22:58. Reason: target of post: kailas |
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bang a whore? Bangalore Dammit!
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cheers. Digital Drifter |
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I feel better already! Being cautious always pays off. I have travelled five time in South America and had 2 incidents. That always makes one wary. Any suggestions on anything else?
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Can I really scream or yell at someone for groping??? What about a shove or a slap in the face? Once in Nainatal I tried on a jacket in a store and the store keeper while helping me tried to grab my breast. I just walked out of the store. Wish I would have yelled!
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bang a whore? Bangalore Dammit!
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cheers, Digital Drifter. |
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Take all your vaccination shots. We don't want your keeling over after you take first food bite, do we? It also helps if you have a cast iron stomach which take anything(foodwise) but few people of made of such stuff. cheers, Digital Drifter |
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bang a whore? Bangalore Dammit!
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"seruppu pinchudum" which is in Tamil. Translated 'you're asking for it buster... with slippers'. Hard to convey the exact emotiveness of the invective. Learn Tamil! One of the best ways of making sure that this kind of thing does not happen again(as told to me by a girl) irrespective of culture is to feign exaggerated jumpiness at the slightest touch. That sends a message to all who are just around you and those who plan to grope that when you really scream, the offender is already on the defensive. Cheers, Digital Drifter At this rate, I'm going to end up teaching self-defense courses for women! |
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Definitely will have copies of all documents! I will be travelling with a debit card from my bank but may get one in Delhi besides. Vaccinations are up to date. I am looking at taking a prescription with for TD. It is the prescription rifaximin which is an antibiotic. Then there is the question of which malaria med. to use. I haven't been bit by a mosquito in over 3 years but it only takes once...so I hear. Last time in India I only took mefloquin(msp) for 3 of the 6 weeks. Had awful dreams. I'm not big into meds.
My biggest concern at this point is in getting from point a to point b. Train reservations and the like. Thank you for the advise. I need all the help I can get. (Can't we all) Cheers, Laura ![]() |
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An online briefcase!!!!
Just an elaboration on the great idea put forward by vistet a yahoo briefcase.
Here you can store all your personal details in one easily accessable "online brief case" for double protection you can upload a passworded zip file!! Not my idea an old one put forward by good ole Midnitetoker!!! Here's the link! yahoo briefcase |
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So....really....honestly speaking.....am I crazy? I want to spend 6 weeks alone in northern India. Granted, I have been before, but with a group. This time I want to see other sites but not with a group. Right now I am trying to decide on whether to go to Dharmsala and nearby areas for a week or spend all my time near Jaisalmer, Bikaner and then the camel festival in Pushkar. Decisions, decisions. Weeks of relaxing in one area could be great but seeing more has its advantages. Any suggestions?
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>>I am looking at taking a prescription with for TD. It is the prescription rifaximin which is an antibiotic. <<
TD? What is this and are you taking meds for it in advance of catching whatever-it-is? >>Then there is the question of which malaria med. to use. I haven't been bit by a mosquito in over 3 years but it only takes once...so I hear. Last time in India I only took mefloquin(msp) for 3 of the 6 weeks. Had awful dreams. I'm not big into meds. << I took Doxycycline; it's cheap and I had no side effects, including "sensitivity to sunshine." Your mileage, of course, will vary. |
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