Mixed marriage? Chinese/ Indian

capt_mahajan

..or between a Chinese and his/her fellow citizens from Nagaland, Mizoram or Manipur.

shashank.aggarwal

what do you call them...Oriental features ?? thats very true captain, not going far even I find it daunting to differentiate between Indians from Northeaster region, Nepalese, bhutanese, Tibetan etc...

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capt_mahajan

Shashank, true to an extent.

But I find it odd that many Indians don't even consider the possibility that these folk may be Indian, and, in fact, would be hard pressed to identify these states on a map.

But we are going offtopic, again

Nicole Zhang.Jaiswal

actually im quite curious about the normal views on the difference among chinese,korean and japanese in indian eyes.i think i totally understand that to average indian,its hard to tell whom from whom,well then just plz share with me what u got the least about these three country ppl

capt_mahajan

For most middle class urban youngsters today

Japanese=rich
Korean= not so rich
Chinese= the next economic superpower

To my mind, the 1962 war with China is hazy in many of these minds (they may know there was one ), they are more likely to know trivia about Pearl Harbour... and have no opinion on the Japanese role there

Nick-H

I think Dilliwala has already argued ...and counter-argued! My opinion is that the exclusion applies to spouses too. The very general way in which it is worded, also having regard to the fact that even having such a person among one's forbears can rule one out, indicates to me a rather strong feeling on the part of whoever worded it: like he really didn't like certain nationalities, and, while at it, lets throw these in for good measure .

Nicole, the struggle with Indian bureaucracy is all part of living here. I guess people have had to put up with far worse stuff in China's history.

As a spouse of an Indian Citizen you can get an 'X' ('Entry') visa which (they'll probably only give you one year at first) can be valid up to five years. As I think we've mentioned, you'll have to start here, anyway, as PIO will only be available after one year.

You will have to get this before you can get your resident's permit, as they are not issued to Tourist-visa holders. You might have to argue to get it on you X-visa (I did) as it is not absolutely necessary for a stay of less than 180 days, which they tried to tell me meant not available for the first 180 days. You can live without it anyway, although it makes some things possible (like getting a driving licence) and some things easier (like opening a bank account).

I do not believe that it is legal to work on an X-visa, though I think that plenty of people do.

I disagree with Dilliwala on one important point. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a 'work permit,' as in a general permission to seek employment in this country. An employment visa has to be supported by an offer of a specific job by a specific company and its validity is linked to that job.

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shashank.aggarwal

even though I have'nt dealt with Chinese as of date...however I feel that they are shrewed people, excellent business sense, and should be dealt with carefully...but it makes sense working with them...

end of the day, love them Or hate them, you cannot avoid them...

PS : On this note Nicole, would you please tell us what Chinese perception is about there Indian counterparts ?

Dilliwala

I agree about your disagreement, that there is no general work-permit - I meant a specific perm in the OP's case based on her being a resident spouse of an Indian. I was just trying to use simple terms to provide some clarity on what is quite a complex subject. Especially, to put it delicately, since English is not the OP's first language. All this talk abot X, Y or Z visas can get very confusing at the best of times, innit?
Hmm, since I know for a fact that she wud not have to leave the country to get an employment visa once she has an RP, I wud then have to think that only the RP (not the X visa) counts as requirement for employment. In any case, an employment visa if still required wud certainly be granted locally.
Foreign spouses who arrived here in previous decades to reside certainly didn't need to get new perm/visa every time they changed jobs, in fact they cud do so at will, just like the rest of us. I doubt that that's changed, but wudn't know for sure.

Nick-H

Glad we're agreed on that!

I think its better to use the jargon, because that is what people will see and read when they try to make sense of the official sites, and make their applications --- I do try to be gentle with it!

I wonder if my mistake, as a Brit, might have been actually doing everything by the book! But then, look at the Goa situation; you never know when stuff that has been overlooked, or condoned, will suddenly be tightened up on.

And I guess many of us who have done this, or are doing it, felt very much alone and as if we were the only ones, and that we had to do it all legally. I do know that it is very important to feel a secure as we can be in this situation.

BTW... I don't think there is anything about an RC/RP that allows one to seek work. But what rights, if any, it does confer is a pretty nebulous issue.

capt_mahajan

Not to divert the thread, but this is the exact same feeling Indians have who are trying to live honestly in this country

Nick-H

What a place this is!

Dilliwala

Well, I have only one standard advice in respect of the law - follow it! This I give to Indians abroad and foreigners here. I mean about laws which CAN get u locked up, or your pp confiscated, or a fine levied or a black mark of any sort, or any combination of these. U are right that it's always better to be secure in such cases and sleep easy - the hassle if caught on the wrong side is really not worth it.
No, the RC/RP does not say anything about work, my point is that it's probably sufficient for resident spouses. Certainly they don't have to leave the country or seek a new employment visa every time they change jobs.

Alohaguy

My wife from Japan and I married in India in 1971. In Delhi, people used to think she is chinese, in Dehradun, she was thought of as Tibetan. There was never any hostility in either place. But attitudes became more positive when they came to know that she was Japanese. Don't worry about what people think when they meet you. Just enjoy the company of Mr. Jaiswal and don't fret the small stuff. Nick, Dilliwala, Shashank and others have already cleared some things about employment visa etc. or Have they confused you even more
Good luck!

invidious

This is what Russel Peters has to say about Indians and Chinese doing business together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RePRWgo3Zc

invidious

Anyone who knows history will tell that the Japanese assisted Bose's Indian National Army (INA) in their endeavor to kick the Brits out and India's judge at the War Tribunal - Radha Gobind Pal was the only one who refused to hold the Japanese guilty for crimes against humanity - arguing that this was victors' justice and both sides were equally responsible.

Korea - nothing in shared history to be honest. Except some random myth about an Indian princess marrying some Korean one.

China - The history textbooks in India (at least at school level) claim that the Chinese invaded India while shouting "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai" - as if! It is insulting to the intelligence of not only the readers but also the soldiers. Most Indians weren't even born back then. Generally, I guess most Indians see China as a nation whose economic success story needs to be replicated here - in terms of infrastructure, capitalist model etc. even if it means compromising on certain democratic rights. Hopefully that won't happen.