HELP!!!!!!!!!! A Questione Never Answered.

SinghandSons.Com · Oct 30th, 2005, 16:49

Hello guys

I was born in England in Sept 1957.

I've never met anyone born in the uk before me - my brother was born about 15 months later.

The closest we've met to our date was my wifes lady friend born in 1961.

Can you help please?

Our daughter-in-law who is American jokingly says that she will find some Indian older than me born in the UK before me and she has made it her mission

Thanking you guys in advance.

JSG

PS: Sorry re typo in heading.

Rob_The_Pom · Oct 30th, 2005, 16:53

A fascinating question. I hope you find the answers!

SinghandSons.Com · Oct 30th, 2005, 16:57

Thanks!!!

If I'm to find the answer, I think I got the right forum for once!!

malvin · Oct 30th, 2005, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinghandSons.Com

Hello guys

I was born in England in Sept 1957.

I've never met anyone born in the uk before me - my brother was born about 15 months later.

The closest we've met to our date was my wifes lady friend born in 1961.

Can you help please?

Our daughter-in-law who is American jokingly says that she will find some Indian older than me born in the UK before me and she has made it her mission

Thanking you guys in advance.

JSG

PS: Sorry re typo in heading.

you must be one of the earliest one born in U.K.as you probably know it very well that the large migration from the sub-continent started in mid fiftees and were mostly men on their own.only in sixties were they financally well off enough to have their spouses or families joining them.
i´ve read it elswhere that one of the earliest punjabi migration to u.k. was to new castle as far back as late twenties and their off spring should be a generation ahead of you.

SinghandSons.Com · Oct 30th, 2005, 18:31

Thans Malvin

My father in law cane to Newcastel in 1952 and dis talk about the men, 15 to small home

My father came to the midlands a year before - both sadly passed away a few years back.

they both said they never saw any Indian women with babies born in GB.

Thanks again.

shere · Oct 30th, 2005, 19:29

Maharaja Dalip Singh who once ruled the state of Lahore (Punjab) had offspring in England during the 19th century.

SinghandSons.Com · Oct 30th, 2005, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by shere

Maharaja Dalip Singh who once ruled the state of Lahore (Punjab) had offspring in England during the 19th century.

Thanks!!!

Just goes to show that I'm alsmost ight and there is no one around born in the 1950's!!

When we went to Indai for the second time about 9 years ago - people were surprised that I could peak punjabi and hindi!!! LOL, I had to remind them that my parents were Indian.

Many childrend born over the last 20 years or so cant put a sentence together in Indian, parents parents fault IMO.

Mant people came to England fron the 1980's onwards and pretend they can't speak English - I test them with a swear word and catch them out, LOL.

See you and thanks for the info!

Gill

john.sw · Oct 30th, 2005, 20:22

If we look at the history of migration from the sub-continent to Britain we see that there has been a population of Indians in Britain for over 200 years. In the 18th century, the first group of South Asians to come to Britain in significant numbers for employment were the servants of East India Company employees.

The most famous of all Indian servants, Munshi Abdul Karim, was elevated to the post of Indian Secretary and taught Queen Victoria Hindi.

An institution known as the Ayahs' Home was established in 1897 in Aldgate, London, to accommodate ayahs who were waiting for a return passage to India.

During the First World War difficulty in obtaining passages back to India left some ayahs stranded in London. New employers would approach the home, which acted as a hostel and employment agency.

Lascars (seamen) appear to have been the largest group of South Asian workers in imperial Britain. Lascars came principally from East Bengal (Bangladesh), particularly Chittagong and Sylhet, and were recruited from the port of Calcutta. The port of Bombay recruited seamen from along the Malabar Coast of Western India. The introduction of railways to India enabled recruitment from inland areas such as the Punjab.

Other South Asians came to England to make their fortunes by whatever means at their disposal. Henry Mayhew's survey of London's poor in 1861 recorded South Asian hawkers, street musicians, herbalists and beggars. Troops of Asian entertainers toured British theatres.

From the 1920s Indian peddlers selling cotton, silk, voile and woollen goods became an increasingly common sight in Britain.

After the Second World War thousands of semi-skilled and unskilled South Asians came to Britain to take up employment in the textile and steel industries. In many mills in West Yorkshire 50-80% of workers were South Asian.

I know from my personal experience that living in Britain has no contraceptive properties, so the first child to be born to Indian parents in Britain was probably born in the 18th century. Who was he or she?

SinghandSons.Com · Oct 30th, 2005, 20:50

Thanks John

But believe me, my findings are sincere and I would love to meet another Indian that was born in England around the same time as me to share experiences.

Thanks for the info

SinghandSons.Com · Oct 31st, 2005, 05:07

Just let you know thaty I received an E-mail earlier today from someone claiming to born in England in 1891 - ROFL, I did not know that 104 year olds were up to speed on the internet

Oct 30th, 2005, 16:49	#1
SinghandSons.Com Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 29	HELP!!!!!!!!!! A Questione Never Answered. Hello guys I was born in England in Sept 1957. I've never met anyone born in the uk before me - my brother was born about 15 months later. The closest we've met to our date was my wifes lady friend born in 1961. Can you help please? Our daughter-in-law who is American jokingly says that she will find some Indian older than me born in the UK before me and she has made it her mission Thanking you guys in advance. JSG PS: Sorry re typo in heading.

Oct 30th, 2005, 16:53	#2
Rob_The_Pom offcourse essentric Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 1,291	A fascinating question. I hope you find the answers! __________________ The solution to your troubles is at the bottom of a glass

Oct 30th, 2005, 20:22	#8
john.sw Up in the hills with my head in the clouds... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: India/UK Posts: 1,019	If we look at the history of migration from the sub-continent to Britain we see that there has been a population of Indians in Britain for over 200 years. In the 18th century, the first group of South Asians to come to Britain in significant numbers for employment were the servants of East India Company employees. The most famous of all Indian servants, Munshi Abdul Karim, was elevated to the post of Indian Secretary and taught Queen Victoria Hindi. An institution known as the Ayahs' Home was established in 1897 in Aldgate, London, to accommodate ayahs who were waiting for a return passage to India. During the First World War difficulty in obtaining passages back to India left some ayahs stranded in London. New employers would approach the home, which acted as a hostel and employment agency. Lascars (seamen) appear to have been the largest group of South Asian workers in imperial Britain. Lascars came principally from East Bengal (Bangladesh), particularly Chittagong and Sylhet, and were recruited from the port of Calcutta. The port of Bombay recruited seamen from along the Malabar Coast of Western India. The introduction of railways to India enabled recruitment from inland areas such as the Punjab. Other South Asians came to England to make their fortunes by whatever means at their disposal. Henry Mayhew's survey of London's poor in 1861 recorded South Asian hawkers, street musicians, herbalists and beggars. Troops of Asian entertainers toured British theatres. From the 1920s Indian peddlers selling cotton, silk, voile and woollen goods became an increasingly common sight in Britain. After the Second World War thousands of semi-skilled and unskilled South Asians came to Britain to take up employment in the textile and steel industries. In many mills in West Yorkshire 50-80% of workers were South Asian. I know from my personal experience that living in Britain has no contraceptive properties, so the first child to be born to Indian parents in Britain was probably born in the 18th century. Who was he or she? __________________ www.nilgiris.asia your guide to the Nilgiris, Ooty, Coonoor, Kotagiri and Gudalur

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