Third Sex Category Demanded

seraph · Dec 9th, 2006, 01:37

"Eunuchs in Orissa reiterated their demand for a legislation recognizing [a] third gender category to ensure them political and social rights..."

"They believe passing of such a law would also help them exercise their franchise, as under present laws though eunuchs are allowed to vote, they are referred to as males and are often in fact not listed at all.

Known as "Hijras", in popular parlance in India, they are either males castrated at puberty or people born with genital malformation.

There are no official estimates of India's eunuch population, but they are said to number around 500,000."

From this article.

batistuta · Dec 9th, 2006, 03:09

Is there any country in the world where a 'third gender' is recognised.

Eve68 · Dec 9th, 2006, 04:13

I haven't heard of any except for one. In most countries it's the biological gender you're born with, and of my Thai students told me in Thailand it's the gender you change to. The surgery is quite common and they do it so well she said (men) have to be careful when they go there because you really can't tell.

claurianta · Dec 9th, 2006, 05:09

Actually, there are some countries that will recognize sex changes (i.e. you can officially become the other gender after the operation), including Canada and Iran (believe it or not).

As for having a third, neutral (?) gender, I doubt any country has got that.

batistuta · Dec 9th, 2006, 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eve68

I haven't heard of any except for one. In most countries it's the biological gender you're born with, and of my Thai students told me in Thailand it's the gender you change to. The surgery is quite common and they do it so well she said (men) have to be careful when they go there because you really can't tell.

These Lady boys are called Katoyes in Thailand .They look like real women.But i could always spot them .The way i could make out if that person was a female/ladyboy was that if a female was of exceptional beauty they were ladyboys .
I am ofcourse not saying that all beautiful women in Thailand had a gender change operation.

SANJAY_DEL · Dec 9th, 2006, 06:53

Trans-sexuals do have their place under the Indian sun. Members of the kinnar or hijra community earn their livelihood by singing and dancing at people's homes in case of a joyous event like marriage. Many of them are commercial sex workers. The kind of social sanction they have achieved is documented be the fact that a few hijras managed to win elections. The case of Shabnam mausi comes to mind - a kinnar who became an MLA. Ironical, in a country where homosexuality is outlawed.

New-South-Welshman · Dec 9th, 2006, 08:12

The eunuchs getting recognised in India as a third sex, before gay rights, will be something to laugh at.

paharganj21 · Dec 9th, 2006, 08:14

interestingly enough, both hijras and homosexuals were known and accepted and/or tolerated in ancient india, before abrahamic religions came here.

Digital Drifter · Dec 9th, 2006, 08:17

Seriously, I think it should be given to them. (& all IT systems go titsup). But the law is one thing, the acceptance is another. Women havent gone far here.....

Nick-H · Dec 9th, 2006, 10:30

Here they are called nain or nine people (DD?). And, from a distance, they are very confusing as it takes a second or third look to check that they are not women.

---now I'm learning the style of dress and behavior: a pretty 'girl' dressed n rather flamboyant clothes, maybe a group, going from shop to shop and asking money...

There is yet another 'inclination', which I believe is found in Pacific Islands --- where some boys grow up liking female-style dress, and taking more interest in 'tradionaly' female passtimes. They are considered quite an asset around the house! IIRC, these people form relationships with heterosexual men.

Whoa --- so many kinds of people in the world. And room for all if only we could banish bias and discrimination.

New-South-Welshman · Dec 9th, 2006, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

There is yet another 'inclination', which I believe is found in Pacific Islands --- where some boys grow up liking female-style dress, and taking more interest in 'tradionaly' female passtimes. They are considered quite an asset around the house! IIRC, these people form relationships with heterosexual men.

My NZ mate told me that in some places in the Pacific Islands, where there are 4 boys already in the family, and the 5th is also a boy, it will be brought up as a girl. I don't know whether to believe this, but interesting if it is.

ravi_shankar · Dec 9th, 2006, 14:38

I had heard that Banks like ICICI Bank & HDFC banks have started hiring them as "Recovery Agents" ... !!!

SANJAY_DEL · Dec 9th, 2006, 15:06

In Bihar, recently a group of Hijras was engaged by the local civic body to blackmail people so as to force them to pay up tax dues out of sheer embarrassment.

Nick-H · Dec 9th, 2006, 15:32

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Dec 9th, 2006, 01:37	#1
seraph Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vaikuntha Dham Posts: 443	Third Sex Category Demanded "Eunuchs in Orissa reiterated their demand for a legislation recognizing [a] third gender category to ensure them political and social rights..." "They believe passing of such a law would also help them exercise their franchise, as under present laws though eunuchs are allowed to vote, they are referred to as males and are often in fact not listed at all. Known as "Hijras", in popular parlance in India, they are either males castrated at puberty or people born with genital malformation. There are no official estimates of India's eunuch population, but they are said to number around 500,000." From this article.

Dec 9th, 2006, 05:09	#4
claurianta Global Nomad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 121	Actually, there are some countries that will recognize sex changes (i.e. you can officially become the other gender after the operation), including Canada and Iran (believe it or not). As for having a third, neutral (?) gender, I doubt any country has got that. __________________ "A real friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out." -Walter Winchell "A true friend is one who knows all about you and likes you anyway." -Christi Mary Warner

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Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,854	Here they are called nain or nine people (DD?). And, from a distance, they are very confusing as it takes a second or third look to check that they are not women. ---now I'm learning the style of dress and behavior: a pretty 'girl' dressed n rather flamboyant clothes, maybe a group, going from shop to shop and asking money... There is yet another 'inclination', which I believe is found in Pacific Islands --- where some boys grow up liking female-style dress, and taking more interest in 'tradionaly' female passtimes. They are considered quite an asset around the house! IIRC, these people form relationships with heterosexual men. Whoa --- so many kinds of people in the world. And room for all if only we could banish bias and discrimination. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

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batistuta Neti-Neti Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,724	Is there any country in the world where a 'third gender' is recognised.

Dec 9th, 2006, 04:13	#3
Eve68 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 105	I haven't heard of any except for one. In most countries it's the biological gender you're born with, and of my Thai students told me in Thailand it's the gender you change to. The surgery is quite common and they do it so well she said (men) have to be careful when they go there because you really can't tell.

Dec 9th, 2006, 06:53	#6
SANJAY_DEL Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NEW DELHI, INDIA Posts: 1,351	Trans-sexuals do have their place under the Indian sun. Members of the kinnar or hijra community earn their livelihood by singing and dancing at people's homes in case of a joyous event like marriage. Many of them are commercial sex workers. The kind of social sanction they have achieved is documented be the fact that a few hijras managed to win elections. The case of Shabnam mausi comes to mind - a kinnar who became an MLA. Ironical, in a country where homosexuality is outlawed.

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paharganj21 Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 147	interestingly enough, both hijras and homosexuals were known and accepted and/or tolerated in ancient india, before abrahamic religions came here.

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ravi_shankar Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tumkur, India Posts: 17	I had heard that Banks like ICICI Bank & HDFC banks have started hiring them as "Recovery Agents" ... !!!

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SANJAY_DEL Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NEW DELHI, INDIA Posts: 1,351	In Bihar, recently a group of Hijras was engaged by the local civic body to blackmail people so as to force them to pay up tax dues out of sheer embarrassment.

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