India's Medical Schizophrenia

Sama · Feb 27th, 2007, 03:16

India's Medical Schizophrenia

I subscribe to this blog that is written by a western journalist/reporter/writer living in Chennai. I got this item today and all I could say was "wow"....

the story about the baby made me sick -- I don't mean seeing the baby, but the thought of Big Pharma testing a drug in India....reminded me of the movie The Constant Gardener.....

edwardseco · Feb 27th, 2007, 04:50

The kidney stuff is pretty old hat though..

Nick-H · Feb 27th, 2007, 07:43

Not very old hat.

Been in the news over the past week or two.

Not saying that it is the first time it ever happened, it isn't. But it is currently a big thing with Tsunami victims as target.

ranjan154 · Feb 27th, 2007, 08:16

Quote:

Not saying that it is the first time it ever happened, it isn't. But it is currently a big thing with Tsunami victims as target.

Yes i also saw in news, its very sad after som much of relief works and aids still people are suffering.

capt_mahajan · Feb 27th, 2007, 08:43

I would argue that this 'schizophrenia' extends to a lot of Indian life, not only the medical stuff.

A lot of folk, including suspicious looking economists on TV, are talking about 'two India's'. Implication.. two India's far apart from each other. Schizophrenic?

Actually a lot of the world is that way, not only India.

batistuta · Feb 27th, 2007, 15:05

The Sunday Express featured a full page article on the Tsunami victims being cheated and thier kidneys being transplanted.

So,even if this is old news ,it is like these people just find new targets to perpetuate this crime.I have first read this atleast 5 or 6 years ago,but the same situation rears its ugly head in myraid occasions the cheat the gullible people.

Sama · Mar 3rd, 2007, 03:53

Suspect Surgeons Advise Tamil Nadu Organ Transplant Future; Get Government Nod

a follow-up to the kidney transplant story....

"This afternoon I attended a meeting held by the government of Tamil Nadu that was meant to be the beginning of an official response to the kidney racket. In the last thirteen years thousands of kidney have been sold on the black market with the tacit approval of the ethics board that is charged with monitoring organ transplants. A month ago I wrote a story for Wired News where a member of the ethics committee admitted to knowingly authorizing illegal transplants through brokers..."

Nick-H · Mar 3rd, 2007, 15:30

Counterpoint...

So what happens if they stop it? More people die of kidney failure, and more people die of starvation.

But, rather as the illegality of some drugs has spawned a parasitic mafia, so has the illegality of organ sale.

If it is to continue, these brokers should be driven out of the market.

But, this is India --- so I'm sure it will continue, legal or not, and I'm sure that much of the cash will be siphoned off into the pockets of the brokers.

Sama · Mar 4th, 2007, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

So what happens if they stop it? More people die of kidney failure, and more people die of starvation.

In the American TV show "ER" -- a long-running show about ER doctors in a fictitious Chicago hospital -- that was actually one of the subplots.

An Indian employee of the hospital who spoke to groups about organ donation was going to give one of his kidneys to a young woman who had been on the kidney donation list for a long time. The female Indian surgeon got suspicious about his altruism and it came out that he was really selling his kidney to the young woman. The surgeon was outraged and thought it was dispicable that he was selling his kidney. He said the $50,000 would help his family in India, it would send his brother and sister to college.

She went to her boss, another surgeon who was going to do the transplant, and he said so what? It's a win-win situation, the sick girl gets her kidney, he gets the money to help his family in India. He said that organs are a commodity the same way men "donate" sperm or women "donate" eggs for infertile couples.

Casey · Mar 4th, 2007, 00:53

"There is no reference in the report on how Cyclopamine became listed as a possible cause."

This quote, directly from the article about the child leads me to believe that the only connection between the drug and the child's condition is an unfortunate coincidence between the name of the drug (Cylcopamine) and the condition. I think it lends itself to some pretty wild conspiricy theories. Not that I don't think there is secret drug testing going on, I just don't see any proof in this article.

Feb 27th, 2007, 03:16	#1
Sama a pain in the asana Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the India inside my heart Posts: 6,425	India's Medical Schizophrenia India's Medical Schizophrenia I subscribe to this blog that is written by a western journalist/reporter/writer living in Chennai. I got this item today and all I could say was "wow".... the story about the baby made me sick -- I don't mean seeing the baby, but the thought of Big Pharma testing a drug in India....reminded me of the movie The Constant Gardener..... __________________ *MY INDIA, 2005-2008* "Once you have felt the Indian dust, you will never be free of it." (Rumer Godden, 1975)

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capt_mahajan Infidel Sufi Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: styx Posts: 13,606	I would argue that this 'schizophrenia' extends to a lot of Indian life, not only the medical stuff. A lot of folk, including suspicious looking economists on TV, are talking about 'two India's'. Implication.. two India's far apart from each other. Schizophrenic? Actually a lot of the world is that way, not only India. __________________ . Outside the machine

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Feb 27th, 2007, 04:50	#2
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 5,841	The kidney stuff is pretty old hat though..

Feb 27th, 2007, 07:43	#3
Nick-H This is just a cameo appearance Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 36,197	Not very old hat. Been in the news over the past week or two. Not saying that it is the first time it ever happened, it isn't. But it is currently a big thing with Tsunami victims as target.

Feb 27th, 2007, 15:05	#6
batistuta Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,727	The Sunday Express featured a full page article on the Tsunami victims being cheated and thier kidneys being transplanted. So,even if this is old news ,it is like these people just find new targets to perpetuate this crime.I have first read this atleast 5 or 6 years ago,but the same situation rears its ugly head in myraid occasions the cheat the gullible people.

Mar 3rd, 2007, 03:53	#7
Sama a pain in the asana Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the India inside my heart Posts: 6,425	Suspect Surgeons Advise Tamil Nadu Organ Transplant Future; Get Government Nod a follow-up to the kidney transplant story.... "This afternoon I attended a meeting held by the government of Tamil Nadu that was meant to be the beginning of an official response to the kidney racket. In the last thirteen years thousands of kidney have been sold on the black market with the tacit approval of the ethics board that is charged with monitoring organ transplants. A month ago I wrote a story for Wired News where a member of the ethics committee admitted to knowingly authorizing illegal transplants through brokers..."

Mar 3rd, 2007, 15:30	#8
Nick-H This is just a cameo appearance Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 36,197	Counterpoint... So what happens if they stop it? More people die of kidney failure, and more people die of starvation. But, rather as the illegality of some drugs has spawned a parasitic mafia, so has the illegality of organ sale. If it is to continue, these brokers should be driven out of the market. But, this is India --- so I'm sure it will continue, legal or not, and I'm sure that much of the cash will be siphoned off into the pockets of the brokers.

Mar 4th, 2007, 00:53	#10
Casey Maha Guru Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 707	"There is no reference in the report on how Cyclopamine became listed as a possible cause." This quote, directly from the article about the child leads me to believe that the only connection between the drug and the child's condition is an unfortunate coincidence between the name of the drug (Cylcopamine) and the condition. I think it lends itself to some pretty wild conspiricy theories. Not that I don't think there is secret drug testing going on, I just don't see any proof in this article.