Finding Buttons
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Finding Buttons
It occured to me that the longer i stayed in India, the more I realised that I wasn't the person I thought I was.
I thought I was patient, kind, even tempered, Maleable, etc. I found out I am none of these things. India found all the buttons to push, and some new ones I didn't know existed. I'd love to hear other experiences of button pushing....was there anything you found out about yourself which surprised you.
Compare and discuss, snork.
I thought I was patient, kind, even tempered, Maleable, etc. I found out I am none of these things. India found all the buttons to push, and some new ones I didn't know existed. I'd love to hear other experiences of button pushing....was there anything you found out about yourself which surprised you.
Compare and discuss, snork.
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Just noticed this other thread which may be consoling....or not...but shows how common this problem is for most of us from developed countries, East or West.
anyone else finding it really tough?
Yes, I didn't even know I had some of those buttons! The fact is, you are still the person you thought you were but to survive in India as a traveler you have to suspend the good parts....or you will really be undone. It's the hardest part to get used to, this inner "mean person" that has to come out to just survive a walk down the street. I would NEVER yell at a kid or adult who annoyed me, especially in public, but in India I'm alternating between cursing, ignoring and shutting down and being really nasty ("stop touching me" "go away" "f*** off") I don't recognize myself when I'm out and about, once the crowds close in and the pinching & poking & begging starts.
But, since I keep returning to India, guess there is more that I like than I hate!!
Quick story: many years ago some friends were going to India for the first time. Very well traveled in developing countries. I said India would be much harder. They thought I was lying. First postcard they sent from India, the husband said he picked up some guy by his collar and was about to throttle him, he was so angry---said he finally knew what I meant
They spent months there but never went back.
anyone else finding it really tough?
Yes, I didn't even know I had some of those buttons! The fact is, you are still the person you thought you were but to survive in India as a traveler you have to suspend the good parts....or you will really be undone. It's the hardest part to get used to, this inner "mean person" that has to come out to just survive a walk down the street. I would NEVER yell at a kid or adult who annoyed me, especially in public, but in India I'm alternating between cursing, ignoring and shutting down and being really nasty ("stop touching me" "go away" "f*** off") I don't recognize myself when I'm out and about, once the crowds close in and the pinching & poking & begging starts.
But, since I keep returning to India, guess there is more that I like than I hate!!

Quick story: many years ago some friends were going to India for the first time. Very well traveled in developing countries. I said India would be much harder. They thought I was lying. First postcard they sent from India, the husband said he picked up some guy by his collar and was about to throttle him, he was so angry---said he finally knew what I meant
They spent months there but never went back.
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Never thought of it as "button pushing" (not a bad term actually) but I could say that if any of your buttons are a little sticky or rusty before a trip to India ... they might be well oiled upon return ... or ones that had become inactivate may suddenly be operating like clockwork again.
The Western world can be so so monotonously regemented at times with people working in jobs that they need rather than those that utilize their true calling. This humdrum living ultimately dulls the senses and it may take the ultimate bombardment of those senses (Re: Trip to India) to awaken the giant within.
India does change people but I think it is more of an awakening of inherent qualities rather than wholesale alterations.
The Western world can be so so monotonously regemented at times with people working in jobs that they need rather than those that utilize their true calling. This humdrum living ultimately dulls the senses and it may take the ultimate bombardment of those senses (Re: Trip to India) to awaken the giant within.
India does change people but I think it is more of an awakening of inherent qualities rather than wholesale alterations.
We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. ~
T. S. Eliot
T. S. Eliot
It's funny, India, and my experiences there push my buttons so hard and so often that eventually those buttons just stop working and in the end, I am glad to be rid of them.
I think that is what I love about India, I have to use skills that I didn't know that I possesed to overcome stuff that I never imagined I would have in my path.
The most amazing thing that I discovered is that I don't actually need most of the material things that I have. What I do need is already inside of me and I just have to figure out how to use it. Like camel girl mentioned this inner thing comes out- but I suspect it's not really mean...I try (really) to not take it personally and not respond personally, even if I am yelling at someone. That's really difficult, and when I can't do it and I'm totally flustered I learn something...and for some reason that's point of meltdown/brilliance is kind of a rush, or a buzz for me.
Seriously, I used to be a rock-climber, and the rush from physically doing something I didn't think I could do on the rocks is the same as the rush I get from say... naviagating Indian airlines
, or getting my puking self onto a night train, or whatever.
I think that is what I love about India, I have to use skills that I didn't know that I possesed to overcome stuff that I never imagined I would have in my path.
The most amazing thing that I discovered is that I don't actually need most of the material things that I have. What I do need is already inside of me and I just have to figure out how to use it. Like camel girl mentioned this inner thing comes out- but I suspect it's not really mean...I try (really) to not take it personally and not respond personally, even if I am yelling at someone. That's really difficult, and when I can't do it and I'm totally flustered I learn something...and for some reason that's point of meltdown/brilliance is kind of a rush, or a buzz for me.
Seriously, I used to be a rock-climber, and the rush from physically doing something I didn't think I could do on the rocks is the same as the rush I get from say... naviagating Indian airlines
, or getting my puking self onto a night train, or whatever.
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I think Hawaiigirl is on to something! Dealing with India might just be one of those "if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger" kind of things.
Most of us really do have soft & kushy (& less smelly & dirty) lives back home compared to what we are faced with in India. Having to face yourself outside of your "comfort zone" can have a real upside when you make it through the gauntlet!
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I suspect it's why so many independent travelers think that people on tours aren't getting the "real" India because they are protected from so many hassles. A common topic on IM other threads. Let's not talk about that here PLEASE. I just saw a link, so I mentioned it.
Most of us really do have soft & kushy (& less smelly & dirty) lives back home compared to what we are faced with in India. Having to face yourself outside of your "comfort zone" can have a real upside when you make it through the gauntlet!
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I suspect it's why so many independent travelers think that people on tours aren't getting the "real" India because they are protected from so many hassles. A common topic on IM other threads. Let's not talk about that here PLEASE. I just saw a link, so I mentioned it.
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Hmm I'm just me, when I'm in India, I smile a bit more and find that kindness is more readliy returned than in Europe.
India doesn't "push my buttons" I guess that's why I love her so much!!
Good topic though!!
India doesn't "push my buttons" I guess that's why I love her so much!!
Good topic though!!
Just been reminded in another thread about being assertive.
Trouble is, I'm assertive in the wrong way for India and just end up knocking my head against a brick wall! It is necessary to be clever here; not direct!
One day I'll learn to rewire that button
Trouble is, I'm assertive in the wrong way for India and just end up knocking my head against a brick wall! It is necessary to be clever here; not direct!
One day I'll learn to rewire that button
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i agree, cyberhippie. in india the people seem warmer, more sharing, more open. if anyone pushed my buttons on the trip it was the girl i was travelling with!
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guess I left my "mellow" gene somewhere else--like Hawaii

Or maybe guys don't get grabbed & pinched by beggars constantly, in between all the nice, pleasant friendly exchanges

I Suppose I sound a bit sarcastic but no matter how happy and relaxed I am, I can't ever get used to the physical harassment. It's sometimes frightening to be surrounded by 1 to 8 kids grabbing at your arms.
I definitely don't take it personally, but it's impossible to ignore.
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i would absolutely agree that it is more challenging for women in india. when we travelled together it was no big deal, but when she was travelling on her own she had some harassment issues. nothing serious but there were a couple of times that she was made to feel pretty uncomfortable. beggars do try to grope men as well, but that is probably easier to shrug off then the sexual kind of attention that women get.
There is a definate change in the way I deal with men in India versus the states, and definately in say Delhi my experience is different than in rural India. I agree with Camelgirl that it is hard to stay collected when some group of guys is sexually hasseling you, or the guy sitting next to you on the plane seriously thinks you'll consider marrying him so he can leave India, or that sometimes dressing appropriately is so hot and uncomfortable in comparison with what guys wear.... yeah, these are buttons of mine.
And, the process of re-wiring/de-fusing those buttons is so worth the rush. Then it's all smiles, like cyberhippie said.
And, the process of re-wiring/de-fusing those buttons is so worth the rush. Then it's all smiles, like cyberhippie said.
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yes.many Indian men would agree, too.
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and american men
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Getting grabbed by beggers is a regular occurence for me as it is for anyone else. Does it bother me NO and I guess thats what it's all about. India will push your envelope if you let it. A little human interaction really doesn't phase me. All part of the ride!! I just act like a loon, they laugh and leave me alone!!
Gender doesn't explain my demeaonour I know loads of women even more relaxed than me in India, my wife for instance, it's down to personality!!
Gender doesn't explain my demeaonour I know loads of women even more relaxed than me in India, my wife for instance, it's down to personality!!
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