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#31 Apr 9th, 2016, 16:34
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kupper and chanshal are in two completely different directions. if you are coming from tiuni side, the road change comes at Hatkoti (Sawra crossway). one road (left) goes to kharapathhar (kuppar) and another one (right) goes to rohru (chanshal).
for kuppar, you can have a night stay either at kharapatthar where you have a HPTDC hotel or either at giri ganga (here the road ends) which has a small 2 room temple dharamshala. kuppar is approx 2 hrs walk from here.
for chanshal i would suggest night stay either at chirgaon (15 kms ahead of rohru) where you will get small rest houses or larot village (last one before chanshal) where people will rent out a room at their house to you for night stay. chanshal top is approx 04 hrs walk from here but you can drive if road conditions are good.
personally i would recommend chanshal.
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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post Anywhere to stay around there? Or are you just suggesting a detour excursion to Kupper?
You can stay at PWD rest house at Kharapathar. There are some hotels as well. Or you can stay at Dwarika Residency Shelapani near Kharapathar. This hotel is situated at beautiful location.
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Originally Posted by LOWKEY_ View Post for chanshal i would suggest night stay either at chirgaon (15 kms ahead of rohru) where you will get small rest houses or larot village (last one before chanshal) where people will rent out a room at their house to you for night stay. chanshal top is approx 04 hrs walk from here but you can drive if road conditions are good.
personally i would recommend chanshal.
Thanks for the tips. have you any contact numbers for Larot village homestay? I've also seen photo of Larot Forest Rest house....but how to book it?
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Originally Posted by pageplant View Post You can stay at PWD rest house at Kharapathar. There are some hotels as well. Or you can stay at Dwarika Residency Shelapani near Kharapathar. This hotel is situated at beautiful location.
I checked the Dwarika on the net. Looks lovely but the prices they charge have one zero too many for me! It surprises me that they can ever find guests at all at those prices.
The PWD according to an old post of Dilliwala must be pre-booked through E.E.Jubbal on 01781 252004? Can you confirm that, or has anyone just walked in and been able to stay?
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Hey the road conditions are very bad around chakrata.I went there last weekend 20-25 km of bad road before chakrata and alot from chakrata to mussorie. I will advice you to reconsider going chakrata.instead of that dehradun to mussorie to dhanaulti only will be the better option
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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post Thanks for the tips. have you any contact numbers for Larot village homestay? I've also seen photo of Larot Forest Rest house....but how to book it?
Larot FRH has to be booked from DFO Rohru, contacts here:

http://www.himachalecotourism.nic.in...s/RHShimla.htm
(Larot is not listed but it's under Rohru)

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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post The PWD according to an old post of Dilliwala must be pre-booked through E.E.Jubbal on 01781 252004? Can you confirm that, or has anyone just walked in and been able to stay?
If I wrote that, it must be correct ...

One can walk into any IB/FRH in India and try for accom. And sometimes succeed. However the caretaker is not bound to provide accom even if it's available, so it's always better to book if time allows.
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post Larot FRH has to be booked from DFO Rohru, contacts here:

http://www.himachalecotourism.nic.in...s/RHShimla.htm
(Larot is not listed but it's under Rohru)


If I wrote that, it must be correct ...
Ha ha! .
Just found a recent list by googling, from 2015, and Larot is on that one, but still the same Rohru contact number.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ayush Chaudhary View Post Hey the road conditions are very bad around chakrata.I went there last weekend 20-25 km of bad road before chakrata and alot from chakrata to mussorie. I will advice you to reconsider going chakrata.instead of that dehradun to mussorie to dhanaulti only will be the better option
Thankyou for that info, but in our case as foreigners we'd established that we can't go via Chakrata because of the army camps(???or whatever's worth hiding from foreign eyes there???)
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You can easily find homestays in Larot. I don't have any contact numbers though. I have to ask some friends in Rohru. Will post numbers, as soon as I get any.
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Originally Posted by writersblock View Post I went to Chanshal pass and Dodra and Kwar villages last year ......You will find some more details in my TR http://kkasturi1.blogspot.in/2015/04...vel-diary.html
Thanks very much Pageplant. Now, referring to Writersblock's great blog about his visit to Dodra Kwar (see his link above) where he mentions there were no toilets in the villages apart from the FRH, I was wondering if it's the same case in Larot??? I hate to bring up such a delicate point on the forum...but I'd very definitely prefer a homestay WITH rather than without!! But you are already doing me a big favour by asking your friends in Rohru....without making it more complicated.

BTW Writersblock, if you read this, and referring to another of your blog accounts which I enjoyed immensely, I did the same trek as you but in the other direction, from Jalori Pass to Gada Gusheini and have stayed at that PWD on various occasions. My favourite area I think. Also trekked from Jalori to Chachgalu Pass and from there to Janjeli. That last section is beautiful and there is a wonderful FRH where the trail ends, Baila I think was the name. but sorry...this has nothing to do with Pabbar Valley.
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A questión for roadies: essentially Dilliwala (the veritable king of the roadies), but not excluding other contributions....

I've been reading an old thread of yours and Avidtrekker from 2008. Extremely entertaining, on alternative routes to Netwar from DD, coming to DD by train from Delhi. There you mention an interesting alternative, getting off the train at Saharanpur, or taking a train to Yamunanagar, to save time, if I understood correctly.
I bring this up as we had a change in plan and it seems we shall be coming from Delhi up to Rohru and the Pabbar Valley. As I originally asked for the scenic route, and can't go via Chakrata, your suggestions have been via Purola and Mori. But now I wonder if it might not be a lot quicker, from any of the stations mentioned, via Paonta Sahib, Shilai, Tiuni, Arakot?
Everything depends on the present condition of roads.....obviously not the same as in the 2008 thread.
Going via Shimla is an option, but not at end of May I think when hotels are so expensive and hard to find?
Dilliwala and others, your opinions will be most appreciated.

Also hope to get a message about the homestay options in Larot sometime soon.....??

BTW...If the answer is train to DD....I remember the taxi stand was quite far from the station and we lost a lot of time in negotiating prices. Can anyone recommend a good driver +good car (with English)??
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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post I've been reading an old thread of yours and Avidtrekker from 2008. Extremely entertaining, on alternative routes to Netwar from DD, coming to DD by train from Delhi. There you mention an interesting alternative, getting off the train at Saharanpur, or taking a train to Yamunanagar, to save time, if I understood correctly.
You do get around the forum, don't you?
Yes, getting off at Saharanpur was in order to save time in getting to Dehradun the long way by train. It's only 70 km by road from Saharanpur to Ddn, 128 by rail. I don't think this helps you much this time around.

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I bring this up as we had a change in plan and it seems we shall be coming from Delhi up to Rohru and the Pabbar Valley. As I originally asked for the scenic route, and can't go via Chakrata, your suggestions have been via Purola and Mori. But now I wonder if it might not be a lot quicker, from any of the stations mentioned, via Paonta Sahib, Shilai, Tiuni, Arakot?
Everything depends on the present condition of roads.....obviously not the same as in the 2008 thread.
Yep, that's the straight-up route. Last reported road condition here. I don't know if there have been improvements since then.

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BTW...If the answer is train to DD....I remember the taxi stand was quite far from the station and we lost a lot of time in negotiating prices. Can anyone recommend a good driver +good car (with English)??
The answer is a bus to Paonta Sahib, but I don't know if there's a comfortable one from Delhi.

The taxi union at Ddn RS is just outside. There's another one a few km away.
Rates for drops to various points in Garhwal are usually published and non-negotiable. I don't know if they'd have a rate for Rohru. Then the next nearest would be Arakot or Tiuni. You'd have to specify that you want to go via Paonta/Shilai so that they don't take the Chakrata route.
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post You do get around the forum, don't you?
I do , but not as assiduously as you, only when I'm preparing a trip or being a vicarious traveller (now, where did I hear that expression).

Yes, getting off at Saharanpur was in order to save time in getting to Dehradun the long way by train. It's only 70 km by road from Saharanpur to Ddn, 128 by rail. I don't think this helps you much this time around.

Not being a roadie like some, the less time I spend in the back of a car going over potholes the better, or the sooner I get to where I want to get to and enjoy greenery and fresh air rather than dusty or muddy roads the better. So I'd say if I can save a couple of hours I'd take that option.


Yep, that's the straight-up route. Last reported road condition here. I don't know if there have been improvements since then.

Thanks for the link. It says further along that the bad stretch is exactly the bit we need to do: PS to Tiuni. A little way back on this thread ( Pabbar Valley) somebody mentioned that a section of the road before Rohru was being surfaced just recently.... Maybe the road in question has been improved by now? Shall I post a new thread about it? in which case, should that be in the Uttarakhand or HP forum? Is the River the boundary?


The answer is a bus to Paonta Sahib, but I don't know if there's a comfortable one from Delhi.
Once again, I think I'd prefer train as you can move around a bit and have bathrooms available.

The taxi union at Ddn RS is just outside. There's another one a few km away.
Rates for drops to various points in Garhwal are usually published and non-negotiable. I don't know if they'd have a rate for Rohru. Then the next nearest would be Arakot or Tiuni. You'd have to specify that you want to go via Paonta/Shilai so that they don't take the Chakrata route.
Non-negotiable? No taxi wanted to take us as it was 2pm or later and they said the driver would not get back in daylight (to Uttarkashi).....so pay more or get stuck till the next day they said...Not easy to negotiate for non-Indians Dilliwala. Or do they have to take you if theybarebon duty at the taxi stand? It helps if one knows the rules.....

Hey sorry! My comments are mixed up with yours. Don't know how to set them in the correct font. Is that the Quote+ I should use or what? Well, DW you have had about 10,000 more posts than me in which to learn the ropes. Apologies.
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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post Not being a roadie like some, the less time I spend in the back of a car going over potholes the better, or the sooner I get to where I want to get to and enjoy greenery and fresh air rather than dusty or muddy roads the better. So I'd say if I can save a couple of hours I'd take that option.
Right, but it won't be easy to get a taxi at Saharanpur to take you to Rohru. At least that's what I feel. If you find one, they'll likely want a great big whack of money. Therefore Dehradun is better IMO.

Another option - night bus to Shimla, then you won't have to take a hotel room. Hire a taxi for Rohru right away.

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Thanks for the link. It says further along that the bad stretch is exactly the bit we need to do: PS to Tiuni. A little way back on this thread ( Pabbar Valley) somebody mentioned that a section of the road before Rohru was being surfaced just recently.... Maybe the road in question has been improved by now? Shall I post a new thread about it? in which case, should that be in the Uttarakhand or HP forum? Is the River the boundary?
There's a thread called Road Conditions HP/Ladakh that's meant for exactly such Qs.

Don't know which river you mean, there's more than one that forms the boundary between HP and UA.

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Non-negotiable? No taxi wanted to take us as it was 2pm or later and they said the driver would not get back in daylight (to Uttarkashi).....so pay more or get stuck till the next day they said...Not easy to negotiate for non-Indians Dilliwala. Or do they have to take you if theybarebon duty at the taxi stand? It helps if one knows the rules.....
Ah, I see what you mean. I meant not negotiable downwards, certainly there's always the possibility of negotiating upwards in the circs you describe .

Officially the taxi unions are supposed to take you at the rates published regardless of time of day, but .......

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Hey sorry! My comments are mixed up with yours. Don't know how to set them in the correct font. Is that the Quote+ I should use or what?
Just use quotation marks to break up one post into many parts when needed, that'll be simpler.
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Originally Posted by LOWKEY_ View Post tiuni road has been redone recently. though its one way but still better then kharapthar one!
LOWKEY, any info on the condition of the Paonta Sahib - Tiuni road via Minus?

I also posted a Q on the road conditions thread, as you no doubt have noticed Dilliwala.

As for a night bus to Shimla and taxi straight on to Rohru...too hard on the body in my case but OK for the younger contingent. And taking a bus means not availing myself of the wonderful facility of Indian Rail tourist quota at New Delhi RS. The best thing ever invented for foreign visitors! You just step into the a/c office, sit on a sofa and in a few minutes you are attended to by very helpful, polite staff and leave with ticket in hand. The person who thought up this idea deserves a medal! The Indian Rail system and complexity of waiting lists and all the rest is as incomprehensible for us foreigners as the rules of cricket!

Having said that,,I still much appreciate your suggestions as so many of them hit the nail on the head.
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