Mussorie to Pabbar Valley: Need Help for this Uttarakhand-Himachal summer trip

#31 May 4th, 2017, 16:07
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Originally Posted by snotty View Post Itinerary 2 - Your visit to Sankri for just one day would be too hectic. You could consider a trip to Mori and Netwar - Pokhu Devta temple at the formation of Tons river. (no one has darshan of the deity, not even the pujari, he is supposed to be very fierce!!). You will have to sort out your stay options here though. Rest houses are available.
The road for Sankri is pretty bad from Netwar onwards.
In Itineray 2, we are staying in Sankri for 2 nights , not one... but if you say so, I will think about it.... How bad is the road? I heard that people use to go to Sankri directly from Dehradun, that too in a bus.... From Sankri to Taluka is narrow and rough, I heard... but that is not more, may be around 15km...Thats why I planned to visit Sankri from Chakrata, as susggested by blackfog and do some hikes....

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post HKD to Taluka can be done in a day.

Isn't it will be too much trek... 26 km in a day... even though I have a superchamp of 6 yrs....I think that will be too much for his dad too...

There's no hike to the Rupin from Sankri. You could actually go down to the Supin though, which is far below the village. You'd have to ask villagers about the way.

Blackfog has only suggested in post # 17..."Hike to Rupin river in Dhaula from Sankri. Half the route can be covered by car".

I like Itin 2 better.

It will be madness to wing it accom-wise at Mussoorie and Dhanolti in peak summer. Unless you don't mind tariffs of 5000 and above. I wouldn't take a chance with Chakrata either, considering the size of the group.
No I will really mind if tariffs are greater than 2000....Actually our plan A is Ladakh, as I have mentioned u earlier.... considering the political unrest in Kashmir we are thinking of a plan B in this region...thats why prebookings will be really tough for us.... we are 6 adults plus a kid... you mean it will be really tight to find rooms in Mussorie and Chakrata in early june?? we don't need posh hotels....just basic homestay or hotel will do... Can you suggest some of these type of hotels/homestays in mussorie & Chakrata...
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Originally Posted by hazra_amit View Post 4 out of 6 members are mentally ready to go for HKD.... need to convince the other 2
Just let them chill out at Sankri for 3 days.

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If you say so, that Dhanaulti has no views, then I will drop it out....Better to stay in Mussorie for 2 nights( I mean 1st night we have to stay anyway either in Dehra or mussorie), if it doesn't cost much....say within 1600-1800 per night...
Like I said, Dhanolti has views. But you have to climb to the top of the Eco Park (maybe 500 m).
Mussoorie in peak summer is the absolute pits, trust me. Go to any tourist trap there and there'll be too many people. Mall Road chock-a-block, traffic jams around town - you should know what you're letting yourself in for. You'll also be very very lucky if you get accom for that price. Certainly not on weekends.
Dhanolti will also not be more enjoyable IMO.

What you will certainly get to view at either place is number plates marked DL, UP, PB, HR - enough to last a lifetime.

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If we trek, its no use keeping a car for the whole trip...right?
The issue is what you end up paying overall, whether you use a dedicated vehicle every day or not. As already advised, hire and fire throughout the trip will be expensive, unless you manage to get share taxis/jeeps which will not charge for their respective return trips. These will only be available for short stretches. E.g.to get from Chakrata to Sankri you will have to change at Tiuni and Mori. To get from Sankri to Hatkoti will be a nightmare - unless you take the Sankri-Shimla bus which will get you as far as Sawra (1 km from Hatkoti).

I cannot tell you what either option will cost or whether a combination will work out cheapest. Suffice to say nobody I know has attempted a trip like this before by public or hired transport, that too inter-state.
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Originally Posted by hazra_amit View Post Isn't it will be too much trek... 26 km in a day... even though I have a superchamp of 6 yrs....I think that will be too much for his dad too...
I'm just saying that people do it. Every trekker has to decide for himself or a group what they can actually manage.

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Blackfog has only suggested in post # 17..."Hike to Rupin river in Dhaula from Sankri. Half the route can be covered by car".
Yes, I read that. I'm not sure he knows the exact lay of the land there.
You've read my response, you figure out whether it's based on an actual visit.

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we don't need posh hotels....just basic homestay or hotel will do... Can you suggest some of these type of hotels/homestays in mussorie & Chakrata...
None in Mussoorie. It's become a jolly expensive place.
None that I know of in Chakrata.
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Going to Sankri for a trek, any condition of the road is not an issue. We went directly as well.
If there is nothing defined at Sankri, then you have other options than go to Sankri just to be there.
The distance (Netwar to Sankri) may take around 45 min to 1 hr - is a typical mountain road, not much of tar. The road before, till Netwar check post is much much better.
At netwar - Rupin and Supin rivers come together to form Tons river. It is a km hike down from the checkpost and another km or so for the temple. The rest houses are near the checkpost.
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Please don't use red (hurts the eyes) or blue (reserved for mods) or may be any other color. Using quotes judiciously suffices, except for highlighting purposes.


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Better to stay in Mussorie for 2 nights( I mean 1st night we have to stay anyway either in Dehra or mussorie), if it doesn't cost much....say within 1600-1800 per night...
IMHO, definitely better than Dhanaulti. Just look at the varied interesting things you can do in Mussoorie here. It is good value for money, except the crowding part. For what it is worth, I stayed in Hotel Vishnu (reviewed here) during off season and liked the services, the place, and the price. YMMV.

In both itineraries, you reach Mussoorie in the middle of the week so there will be some respite when it comes to availability and tariff. Not too much though. Just call, say Hotel Vishnu, and check with them about advance booking and its cost.

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Can you suggest some of these type of hotels/homestays in mussorie & Chakrata
Can't say about Mussoorie but I can suggest for Chakrata if needed. I won't research right now but when you reach call me. You have my number from my social profiles.

Dilliwala is correct that we just want to let you know what you get into. Hoteliers run the show (and an unethical one) during Summers. It is not all that bad. You'll survive I did so last year!
Just that we all share a disdain against reckless dense crowds, high tariffs, make-believe fun, plastic vacations, etc. My wife and kid like the latter. Nothings wrong with it. I too enjoyed in the moment when I went there.


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I am with Dilliwala on hire and fire being costly. Taxis in remote places like Mussoorie to Sankri will be more costly per km and you'll end up paying for the driver's empty return trip. Double whammy.
And public transport requires changeovers. I shall add my own woes to Dilliwala's argument. Your itinerary will start depending also on (and gets complex because of) the availability and timings of local buses. Exhaustion in summer heat adds to the exertion of travel. And taking public transport with a kid and luggage for as many days becomes challenging at times. Personally, when I go so remote, all the three options do not work for me -- that is, hire and fire is costly; keeping a full time cab is costly; public transport is inconvenient. Hence, I always take an extra day off to self-drive. You may want to explore self-drive rental option.

Also, you can possibly hire and fire a taxi before HKD trek. After the trek, you may want to keep a taxi with you all through.

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Saru Lake is near Chanshal. I haven't researched about it so don't know details. Please research. If my memory serves me right, you can do a day hike to Saru from Chanshal Pass.
If you don't want to research, stick to the tried and tested trails outside Mussoorie city. I don't want to suggest yet another day there! But if you get a good hotel deal and if the family is into such stuff as Wax museum, adventure park and zip lining, hikes to waterfalls, and a look at George Everest's house, then who am I to suggest otherwise

If you are willing to come back to the Jaunsar region, definitely do Nag Tibba in Dec. Even I want to do it again in winters! I did it on New Year's eve and it was beautiful. Here are the photos and relevant IM thread for details.

In the HKD trek plan you are making the kid walk 10+ km in a day. Not very difficult and he can do it but there's a possibility of idling around Hence my suggestion to relax it a bit if you want to spend extra time in the Sankri range.


IMHO, trek in the beginning of a trip is easier when everyone and the kids are full of energy and enthusiasm. Hotel stay later cushions it and takes away the exertion. If I may, start with a bang and fizzle out gradually :P

What did you do to Dilliwala for him to suggest 26 km in one day? Find his poison, give a treat, mend quickly

When I suggested a hike to Rupin, I meant just go to be river side to kill time. I haven't been there so don't know the area. I think Dilliwala meant the same when he suggested "going down to Supin". Essentially, chilling out by a river side. Similar to how we all spend time at Chitkul near Baspa. There must be walking path even if a road/footpath. There may not be an exclusive hiking trail. Last year, we did the same in Barot with kids. Which reminds me that angling can be tried if local guide and gear is available.

Listen to snotty as well. His suggestion is more precise than my vague idea.


PS: You can always be short of words, but one can never be short of beer -- It'll do just fine for me Hick!

PPS: Dilliwala, you are most helpful and truly believe in giving back the community. When we meet, the treat is on me
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Amit, are you considering Narkanda and Hatu peak just in case you have an extra day? I am quite interested to know the road condition on this route via Tikkar. Even if you don't go, please ask around this info for me.

Another question for you/Dilliwala and others is about the places named Sungri, Taklech, and Darkali that are North of Rohru. The other grayed-out alternate roads in the above route map go towards these villages. These are very remote and come under the Rampur jurisdiction. I've always wondered what's here.

I know it is all small hikes, dense jungles, a few feet of snow in winters, apples, simple people, et al. But the wonderment remains if the world seems any different from walking around these places Just a curiosity question from a bike ride perspective as well. Please share whatever you know or suspect.
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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post IMHO, definitely better than Dhanaulti. Just look at the varied interesting things you can do in Mussoorie here.
Ugh. All the standard tourist stuff. A.k.a. make-believe fun.
Some of these places are not even in Mussoorie. Not even in the same district.

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If you are willing to come back to the Jaunsar region, definitely do Nag Tibba in Dec.
Jaunpur . Jaunsar is where amit's going now.

Franlkly, if a second trip is planned, better to cover Mussoorie and Dhanolti in winter too. Christmas/New Year week will again draw crowds though, although it won't be as bad as now.

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What did you do to Dilliwala for him to suggest 26 km in one day? Find his poison, give a treat, mend quickly
I've seen such itineraries and trip reports right here on IM. Obviously by people in a hurry. I didn't say it's recommended. But downhill, porters - can be done.

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I think Dilliwala meant the same when he suggested "going down to Supin". Essentially, chilling out by a river side.
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There must be walking path even if a road/footpath. There may not be an exclusive hiking trail.
Now I remember (good to refer to maps regularly ) - the sangam of the Supin and Har ki Dun Gad is down there.
No road, must be a footpath through the forest. I would have liked to explore but didn't have enough time. The villagers will know.

On the topic of short excursions - one can also drive to Jakhol, which is up the Supin valley. The road diverts somewhere between Naitwar and Sankri, those who've been to Sankri will have seen it. There are some short hikes and climbs around that can be done.
Keep walking a few days and you can cross over to Kinnaur. But that's another expedition.

Here's an old thread that may be of interest:
Offbeat trek: Jakhol - Sirga Top / Trip report



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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post Another question for you/Dilliwala and others is about the places named Sungri, Taklech, and Darkali that are North of Rohru. The other grayed-out alternate roads in the above route map go towards these villages. These are very remote and come under the Rampur jurisdiction. I've always wondered what's here.

I know it is all small hikes, dense jungles, a few feet of snow in winters, apples, simple people, et al. But the wonderment remains if the world seems any different from walking around these places Just a curiosity question from a bike ride perspective as well. Please share whatever you know or suspect.
Never been thar way, unfortunately. There are some old posts by vasuki describing the route. Also some by Lowkey last year.
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Another question for you/Dilliwala and others is about the places named Sungri, Taklech, and Darkali that are North of Rohru. The other grayed-out alternate roads in the above route map go towards these villages. These are very remote and come under the Rampur jurisdiction. I've always wondered what's here.
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I stayed 2 nights at Sungri PWD last year. 6 would fit in the 2 sets there if you can get them. But beware.....I picked up my chit from the office in Rohru but when I arrived at Sungri I found both rooms occupied by a large family! Nothing could be done, no alternatives, so I had to sleep the first night in an outhouse with the assistant chowkidhar.....Not in the same bed fortunately but close enough to smell the whiskey on his breath. And no toilet! Another adventure....
But the view is amazing from there! Worth the visit
. Road to Narkanda from there not too bad but the horrendous traffic jam to get past the Hatu Peak access road into Narkanda was over an hour. This was May last year, so I think Narkanda in June might be very busy too. I prefer quieter places.
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Case in point about woes related to traffic and crowds: www.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal/community/trip-to-kasauli-a-nightmare/404549.html

When this happens, won't the tourists be at the mercy of folks working in the hospitality industry?
Be it attacks on Zoomcar in Leh, exorbitant taxi rates for Solang/Rohtang, be it the rudeness of horse owners at Kufri, or overpricing by shopkeepers and cycle rickshaws on any Mall Roads.
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Moderator note : A couple of posts have been moved to - Road conditions - latest reports HP/Ladakh thread. Thank you.
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Any updates Amit?
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Dear Friends,

I have not seen any updates from Amit, so i am posting a separate query:

I am planning to do the following in last half of December.

Day 1 - Catch Train from Kolkata
Day 2 - Reach Dehradun and night stay.
Day 3 - Take a car and reach Mussoorie, on the way visit Kempty Falls and
Lake Mist, lunch at Mussoorie, and then roam about Mussoorie.
Day 4 - Early morning visit to Gun Hill, back to hotel and check out, then visit
Lal Tibba, Clouds End, Camel Back Road, George Everest House,
Jharipani Falls, Bhatta Falls. Then directly reach to Dhanaulti and
night stay.
Day 5 - Early morning visit to Eco Park, then check out and go towards
Surkanda Devi Temple Trek, after that reach to Chamba, and night
stay.
Day 6 - Visit to Tehri Damm, and back to Chamba.
Day 7 - After breakfast check out from hotel and drive towards Haridwar, on
the way visit to Rishikesh. Catch train at night.
Day 8 - Train.
Day 9 - Reach Kolkata.

Now my query is these:

1. On day 3 - can we able to reach Mussoorie before lunch?
2. On day 4 - all the spots is really possible or not?? if possible then how long
will be the duration, and at what time we will be able to reach
Dhanaulti?
3. On day 5 - How long will it take to trek Surkanda Devi Temple? Is it a hard
or easy trek?

Kindly help me friends as I do not have good idea about the circuit.

Thanks in advance.
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