Mussorie to Pabbar Valley: Need Help for this Uttarakhand-Himachal summer trip

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Dear Dilliwalla, Asish and other IM friends,

I am still confused whether this trip plan will come under Himachal or Uttarakhand, but as suggested by Dilliwala and Asish I am starting this new thread.

I really need your urgent help in planning an itinerary consisting Mussourie, Dhanolti, Chakrata, DEoban, Tiuni, Hatkoti, chansal pass , DODRA KWAR, CHIRGAON, pabbar valley,Rohru, Khadapathhar. We have 13 days in total. We will reach Delhi airport on 30/5/17 morning and our return train is from Chandigarh on 11th June night by kalka mail. We are 6 adults and a kid of 6 yrs and would love to explore this region.

I know you are the best person with detail knowledge in this region. Please help me to arrange the trip with detail informations (such as hotel, car, driver etc) and itinerary.

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Do you want to do the hill trip by public transport or will you hire a vehicle?
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Thanks Dilliwala

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post Do you want to do the hill trip by public transport or will you hire a vehicle?
We will surely want to hire a vehicle for the whole trip if it is available... otherwise we can hire vehicle from one spot to the other... we are total 6 adults + 1 kid ( 2 family + 2 bachelor friends). We will reach Delhi airport on 30th may around 9:30 am and our return train is from Chandigarh on 11th June midnight. Please suggest an itinerary covering entire 13 days including any short treks if possible. Can we book the hotels on spot or need to prebook? Please give your detail suggestions as you always do...
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Your route is pretty straightforward, as you have outlined. The complexity is with the transport arrangements. A vehicle hired from Delhi will cost a great big whack of money - you will likely have to pay for the Uttarakhand permit (around 1200 bucks, 3 months validity), as well as the empty run from Chandigarh to Delhi. If you take a train or bus to Dehradun or Mussoorie, that reduces the complexity a bit. Well, at the beginning as you can hire a car starting from Mussoorie - at the end you still have to pay for the empty run back from Chandigarh. There's also the matter of going into a remote region of HP which a UA driver will be unfamiliar with and may not want to go to. Beyond Rohru, that is. So you may have one vehicle parked at Rohru and have to hire another one for Chanshal.

Hiring taxis point to point works out expensive compared to having one for a round-trip. Also considering the places you want to visit - somewhere you can do "hire and fire" but pay for the empty return, somewhere you'll need one car for a short round-trip, e.g. Rohru-Chanshal. I don't know if Dodra/Kwar is advisable for such a group, perhaps better with one or two people who are really ready to rough it out.

That leaves the option of point to point public transport, which will certainly work out cheapest but involves a good deal of uncertainty.

You will certainly need to book hotels in advance, specially at the so-called hotspots.
For Mussoorie - check whether GMVN suits your budget.
For Dhanolti - you're best off at the Eco Huts, you practically need to book now.
For Chakrata - Hotel Snow View is the best option.
For Rohru and Kharapatthar - check whether HPTDC suits your budget. There are always cheaper options around, bur I've not been that way so don't know any.
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Dilliwala is right....Of course, as usual. No taxi driver from outside Shimla-Rohru area will want to risk Chansal. And you can forget about going to Dodra with such a big group. There's no accommodation for so many people.....And a problem for cooking for so many as well. They have very limited resources there. We took our own vegetables etc.
Local taxis have broken suspension.....Not ideal for travelling with a family group and a kid.

If you take a car plus driver for the whole trip you will have to leave him in Rohru and take a local taxi for the day up to Chansal, as Dilliwala says. For good local taxi try Deepak on 09816495477
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Thanks a lot DW

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post Your route is pretty straightforward, as you have outlined. The complexity is with the transport arrangements. A vehicle hired from Delhi will cost a great big whack of money - you will likely have to pay for the Uttarakhand permit (around 1200 bucks, 3 months validity), as well as the empty run from Chandigarh to Delhi. If you take a train or bus to Dehradun or Mussoorie, that reduces the complexity a bit. Well, at the beginning as you can hire a car starting from Mussoorie - at the end you still have to pay for the empty run back from Chandigarh. There's also the matter of going into a remote region of HP which a UA driver will be unfamiliar with and may not want to go to. Beyond Rohru, that is. So you may have one vehicle parked at Rohru and have to hire another one for Chanshal.

Hiring taxis point to point works out expensive compared to having one for a round-trip. Also considering the places you want to visit - somewhere you can do "hire and fire" but pay for the empty return, somewhere you'll need one car for a short round-trip, e.g. Rohru-Chanshal. I don't know if Dodra/Kwar is advisable for such a group, perhaps better with one or two people who are really ready to rough it out.

That leaves the option of point to point public transport, which will certainly work out cheapest but involves a good deal of uncertainty.

You will certainly need to book hotels in advance, specially at the so-called hotspots.
For Mussoorie - check whether GMVN suits your budget.
For Dhanolti - you're best off at the Eco Huts, you practically need to book now.
For Chakrata - Hotel Snow View is the best option.
For Rohru and Kharapatthar - check whether HPTDC suits your budget. There are always cheaper options around, bur I've not been that way so don't know any.
Thanks a lot Dilliwala for your detail suggestions...

1. First of all, we will take a bus from Delhi to Dehradun. Searching the net, I found there is only 1 AC bus during the daytime, leaving Delhi @ 11:30Am and reaching Dehradun by 6pm. As we are reaching Delhi airport on 9:30am, we would like to take the bus asap. Do you know any other AC bus service from Delhi to Dehradun? From where did the bus leave?.

2.It would be really helpful if you please chalk down an itinerary for the trip, including any short treks as well...then only we can think of the transport, whether we will do it by public transport or by full reserved car. I think point to point car will be ideal, to reach the place for ex say Chakrata, Rohru, and then take local car to explore the area.

3. Please suggest the no of days we would stay in a place ? I think 3N for Mussourie-Dhanaulti, 3N for Chakrata-Kanasar-Deovan area, 4-5N for the Rohru-Hatkothi-Chansal area and 1N in Kharapathar.... Please give your opinion whether we will stay in a particular place and may day trips or we stay in different places.

4. The group is really enthusiastic one... and everybody loves to trek as well. My son (6 yr kid) has very recently trekked Achaley Top with me climbing 10k ft from 6k ft in a day. So if it is possible to visit Dodra and Kwar we will definitely do it. In fact we are thinking of adding Har-Ki Dun trek in this trip, if we can squeeze it in.... In that case, 2N for Mussourie-Dhanaulti, 2N for Chakrata-Kanasar-Deovan area, 6N for Har-ki-Dun trek,2N for the Rohru-Hatkothi-Chansal area and then to Chandigarh Please suggest if this is doable?

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Please share your trip story Cinta

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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post Dilliwala is right....Of course, as usual. No taxi driver from outside Shimla-Rohru area will want to risk Chansal. And you can forget about going to Dodra with such a big group. There's no accommodation for so many people.....And a problem for cooking for so many as well. They have very limited resources there. We took our own vegetables etc.
Local taxis have broken suspension.....Not ideal for travelling with a family group and a kid.

If you take a car plus driver for the whole trip you will have to leave him in Rohru and take a local taxi for the day up to Chansal, as Dilliwala says. For good local taxi try Deepak on 09816495477
Thanks Cinta for your nice reply. How did you visited Dodra? by car? I read somewhere that there is a bus from Rohru which go thru Chansal upto Dodra and then returns...Am i right?

Did you stayed in Dodra? In tents? How did you mange to get those?

Did you trekked to Chancal top? Can you suggest any small treks around Rohru? we would love to do any such treks ....

Is Deepak from Rohru? then I will definitely contact him for Chansal visit...

Please give your detail information about how and when you did the trip..i would love to hear it...
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1 Here's the official website of UTC: https://utconline.uk.gov.in/
There are 16 Volvos and 12 other A/c buses throughout the day. There should also be an A/c bus for Mussoorie at night, but it's not showing online, so no advance booking as of now. Maybe it'll be available online next month.
UPSRTC also has deluxe buses to Dehradun.
All departures from ISBT Kashmere Gate.

2-3) It's your trip, you have to decide . But what you have outlined is ok. Most people don't want to spend more than 2N at Chakrata, but 3N allows you to explore a bit more.
Changing hotels every night is no fun IMO. I prefer staying at one place 2 or 3 nights and then making day trips to nearby places.
Point to point transport only works if you hire full share-jeeps, because then you don't have to pay for the return trips. That will definitely be the case with exclusive taxis, as mentioned earlier. This (point to point) would work for Dehradun-Mussoorie and Mussoorie-Dhanolti v.v. But not Mussoorie-Chakrata (you'd have to change vehicles once or twice enroute). Also not Chakrata to Rohru. Or Chakrata to Sankri. Or Sankri to Rohru.

4) HKD and Chanshal area on the same trip is rather hectic IMO.
Frankly, the two states/regions require separate trips, but Kol is not exactly around the corner (unfortunately ).
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Originally Posted by hazra_amit View Post Thanks Cinta for your nice reply. How did you visited Dodra? by car? I read somewhere that there is a bus from Rohru which go thru Chansal upto Dodra and then returns...Am i right?

Did you stayed in Dodra? In tents? How did you mange to get those?

Did you trekked to Chancal top? Can you suggest any small treks around Rohru? we would love to do any such treks ....

Is Deepak from Rohru? then I will definitely contact him for Chansal visit...

Please give your detail information about how and when you did the trip..i would love to hear it...
Hi,
I answered some of your questions already....eg in post 98 of the Trip to Pabbar Valley thread.
If you read back through that thread you can see most of my planning after taking advice from Writersblock and his blog, Pageplant, Lowkey, Dilliwala et al.
I'm too busy at the moment to write up the whole of that trip I'm afraid. I really want to return there and trek up the Pabbar Valley but that needs travel companions to do it with.
Local buses are very few, and to Kwar just one a day from Rohru and it takes all day. It's 75kms and as I said already somewhere you average about 10km per hour up on the way up and down. The pass is 3750mt and Dodra and Larot are around 2300mt so you can see how much of a climb it is. Not for trekking with family for sure!
Deepak was our driver from Rohru.
No, we didn't camp. But the FRH is very small and basic, just 2 small sets and a deficient water supply.
Most of the rest you will find out if you read the thread and Writersblocks blog.
But once again I say, like Dilliwala, the whole trip is not suitable with a family.

A good day trek is GiriGanga from Karapathar HPTDC. Easier with a family. You can go up to the temple by car even and trek from there.
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4) HKD and Chanshal area on the same trip is rather hectic IMO.
Frankly, the two states/regions require separate trips, but Kol is not exactly around the corner (unfortunately ).[/QUOTE]

Total agreement! I've done both on 2 different trips. IMO Harkidun would suit you far better, there are plenty of hotels for all of you to stay at and trekking organisations to do the trek with. A good dhaba too.
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I'm confused. Doesn't the road go right over Chanshal pass? Thought that's what I read/saw in writersblock's blog.
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post I'm confused. Doesn't the road go right over Chanshal pass? Thought that's what I read/saw in writersblock's blog.
The road to where, Dilliwala? Have we got our lines crossed?

The road to Dodra Kwar yes.....And stops there. So you turn round and go back. Or trek down to Netwar area as I mentioned , which is on the Sankri road. And Sankri is what I suggested to Amit, that maybe they'd be better off going to Sankri and doing the Harkidun trek as the infrastructure is superior.
Unless I'm the one who's confused and I've got the names of places mixed up? Haven't checked on the map just from memory.
My brain unplugs at this time in the evening Let's hope we see clearer in the morning.
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Yes, the road to Dodra/Kwar. Goes right over Chanshal pass in my recollection (unless I misunderstood writersblock). But amit and you are talking about trekking to the pass.
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post Yes, the road to Dodra/Kwar. Goes right over Chanshal pass in my recollection (unless I misunderstood writersblock). But amit and you are talking about trekking to the pass.
Correct. You can see the bus coming over Chansal Pass in one of the photos I posted on that Pabbar Valley thread.
Amit has been asking for some nice treks to do around there, that´s the only reason I mentioned a trek. The one described by Writersblock in his blog sounds much nicer to do.....one of the reasons why I suggested to Amit he read through that blog as it will answer so many of his questions.

I can see you poring over your map and getting ready to go yourself, just to unconfuse yourself on the lay of the land. I myself love looking at the map of that part of HP as there are a lot of blank áreas to explore
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Originally Posted by Cinta Alam View Post Correct. You can see the bus coming over Chansal Pass in one of the photos I posted on that Pabbar Valley thread.
Amit has been asking for some nice treks to do around there, that´s the only reason I mentioned a trek.
Right, so I didn't get that wrong. But them what does "trek to Chanshal top" mean?

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I can see you poring over your map and getting ready to go yourself, just to unconfuse yourself on the lay of the land. I myself love looking at the map of that part of HP as there are a lot of blank áreas to explore
It's funny/strange/eerie you should say that (more below). In the first instance, of course that's what one would prefer to do.
Preamble: I had a similar predicament 9 years ago. Which I asked about in the HTR to Shipki La thread, one of the 'better' ones on IM, which I helped initiate at the time. I asked a Q about where a road leads to, couldn't get my answer, even from people who know the area well. I figured I'd have to go back to the area and drive around myself to get my answer. But I have not been able to since then.
Fast forward: So just yesterday I come across an old thread (which linked from another thread) about trekking in Kinnaur/Spiti. And this old thread had some wikimapia links for that region, not far from Puh (near where my mystery road lies). I clicked the wikimapia links and looked around. Then I decided to drag around the map, eventually got to Puh. Then I remembered (I could have thought of this 9 years ago, but no )- hey, that mystery road is somewhere nearby! It lies above the state highway that drops down to Dubling, Khab and goes further to Spiti.
Know where this mystery road goes? It just doubles back up to Puh!
9 YEARS is what it took me to find that out!

Long story short - any time I want to check out a road in the hills but can't do so physically (which is most of the time, let's be realistic), I must remember to check out online resources (and I have done so on countless occasions, that's the great irony . Don't know why the blind spot in this case).
Any physical maps I have don't show this road.
Although I do have a govt-issued district map of Kinnaur, which may show this road. Believe it or not, I never checked this map either.
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