Hindustan Tibet Road to Shipki La

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#31 Apr 10th, 2008, 00:37
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You guy's amaze me with your knowledge of this area. I seem to remember Lama Govinda Anagarika crossed the Shipki La & spent some time in Puh village after he'd walked across western Tibet from Tsaparang, he mentions it in his book "The Way of the White Clouds"
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Hi! End of June 2000 I walked to Tashigang from Nako and another foreigner did the same and we did not need any ILP or special permission. I was told that nobody can walk any further than Somang cave. From a little above Tashigang I believe one can spot Shipki La and a slice of Tibet,just beyond the base of Reo Purgyal. Surely from there you can see the NH 22 on the other side of the valley,and at that time it looked in very bad shape.
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Ah voyager! Just the man to answer my Q re NH 22, since no one else seems to know exactly.

If you've read my previous posts re the highway - put differently, what is the exact route of NH 22 after Puh? I.e. which are all the places on the way upto Sumdo?
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Hi! First sorry for my previous post very badly put,we foreigners need a permit between Jangi and Sumdo of course,I meant no further permission to go to Tashigang(or so it was).I also believe right now NH 22 goes up to Kaurik,and after Pooh it crosses the river and passes Dubling,Khab(junction of Satluj and Spiti,and then Ka,Nako and Yangthang,Malling,Chango and Shialkar:Last summer one could see well a road under construction on the right side of the valley,but after Leo. What I saw from Tashigang with my 10x25 binocular,the former NH22 I suppose, was a road with endless landslides going over it,but probably good enough to walk with animals.
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Uh oh, I'm getting confuseder and confuseder. That's what uttam said too - but bear with me for a minute, while I try to establish what I'm getting at:

As on 28 Oct '06, it was possible to go in 2 directions from Puh (the BRO camp on NH 22) - 2 km ahead there was/is a right turn which takes you downwards, across the Satluj to Dubling, Khab Bridge, Ka, and onwards, as we all agree. BUT it was also possible to carry on straight from the intersection, and traffic was going that way, more than on the sangam road as far as I can recollect. Are you saying that this road, which is a continuation of NH 22, has been closed since either late '06 or sometime '07, becos of which all traffic has to go via the a.m. sangam road? I do clearly recall that in '06 the sangam road did not have the NH designator.
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Hi! I don't know what road you are talking about,on 1st december 2007 seven I travelled from Kaza to Peo in a car with a guy from Recong Peo itself and the route we took was as I said.I have never seen a road going from Pooh to anywhere else than Dubling,Khab etc.I have seen the road under construction between Leo and Shialkar,that will one day eliminate completely the troublesome Malling block.
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post Uh oh, I'm getting confuseder and confuseder.
Me too... I know only the link road to the upper Puh village and the higher Army camps there. Are you sure, that you don't mean the link road strait ahead into the Ropa valley short before Puh in Shiaso? http://books.google.de/books?id=u4ST...JLFs#PPA136,M1

The NH 22 ends at Sumdo or Kaurik! The road further through Spiti is called SH 30...

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post As on 28 Oct '06, it was possible to go in 2 directions from Puh (the BRO camp on NH 22) - 2 km ahead there was/is a right turn which takes you downwards, across the Satluj to Dubling, Khab Bridge, Ka, and onwards, as we all agree. BUT it was also possible to carry on straight from the intersection, and traffic was going that way, more than on the sangam road as far as I can recollect. Are you saying that this road, which is a continuation of NH 22, has been closed since either late '06 or sometime '07, becos of which all traffic has to go via the a.m. sangam road? I do clearly recall that in '06 the sangam road did not have the NH designator.
As Andreas pointed out it is the link road to the main village and Army cantonment; (probably!) you are confusing with it. The NH-22 passes below the main village of pooh near hamlet of Choro/Koro which is part of Pooh village only.
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NO, gents! I know which roads you are talking about.
What I mean is - ok, disclaimer first: I know this is becoming very confusing, so no need for anyone to answer if you don't want, but just for the record - I'll start further back and go by stages.

NH22 - ILP check-post, Jangi - no doubts here, I'm sure.
Keep going, next is Spilo. Dhaba with glass-front on the left, good hot thali for 30 bucks!
Keep going, soon there will be a road turning left and up going to Gyabong and Ropa along the Ropa Gad, correct? Keep going on NH 22, eventually you get close to Puh, correct?
Now, you're at the intersection where there's a U-turn going left and up to the main village, correct? Stay on NH 22, what do you have a little ahead? A BRO camp to your left, the general store to the right, down a short flight of stairs from the road. Yes? Yes - I even bought Kodak film here. Maybe this is Choro, I don't know.
Now, staying on NH 22, start measuring - from the general store. 2 km ahead exactly, what do you have? Another intersection, yes? If you look to your left, there is (or was) a little chhatri or water-stand (piao), or both. 'Risala' is written in Devnagari script on the structure - I don't know what that's supposed to mean, I took it as the name of the place. Behind the structure are BRO huts. Now look to your right, what do you have? The road going down to Dubling (again, the construction gang-huts on the Satluj left bank - I know the main village is 5 km up on the side road) and Khab Bridge/sangam that we all know and love, correct?
BUT, back at the intersection on NH 22, look straight. The road continues! Or did, as on 28 Oct '06. If anyone agrees, please let me know where it went/goes. If no one agrees - well, then you're all forcing me to go on another trip and check for myself. Which I won't mind too much.

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The NH 22 ends at Sumdo or Kaurik! The road further through Spiti is called SH 30...
That's correct - Kaurik. At least that's what the km stones said in Oct '06.
So SH 30 wud have to be Sumdo-Kaza.

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I too have a question
Is Shipki La approached via Kaurik?
Do we not leave the Sutlej valley at Khab Bridge and enter the Spiti valley.. from Khab to Sumdo via Ka, Nako, Malling Nala, Shailkar is all Spiti valley.. from Sumdo further on to Kaurik i guess must be a platue (haven't ever gone beyond Nako)..
So if Shipki La marks the entry point of the river Sutlej into India should we not be sticking to it's valley rather than spiti's?

Hello Dilliwala.. I vaguely remember there was a road climbing towards the right..and it had a sign that read Khab.. The Khab bridge was on the road that carried straight close to the river..

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Not you too, Papaji!
As in - a few long posts re location of Namgya and Shipki La, and still not clear? Obviously we didn't do a good job.

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Hello Dilliwala.. I vaguely remember there was a road climbing towards the right..and it had a sign that read Khab.. The Khab bridge was on the road that carried straight close to the river..

EXACTLY the way to Shipki La! The road goes to Khab and Namgya! From there you can only walk to the pass (that too with special perm), as uttam confirms.

If you saw Avid's post #15 with the wikimapia link, that'll show you the exact area.

You've been hiding youself well these past few months, haven't you? Been riding?
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post You've been hiding youself well these past few months, haven't you? Been riding?
I made two trips.. both about 10days long..one to Uttarakhand (Kumaon) and one recently to Himachal (Shimla/Rohru/Kinnaur). By bus, not by bike.

One change in route that I think you might not be knowing.. earlier the road to Sumdo used to not-go via Nako.. now it does.. earlier some 17km before Nako one had to continue on the road going downhill to reach Sumdo via Malling Nala.. now one has to the take the road going up and passing at a distance of half a km from Nako village via Malling village (different from Malling Nala - as is located at a much higher altitude -same as Nako's) and Shailkar to reach Sumdo.

This has been done because there used to be a lot of blockages happening at Malling nala... the new route that moves higher up the valley is less prone to blockages..
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earlier the road to Sumdo used to not-go via Nako.. now it does..

Yes, this info has surfaced in a few threads, after which I checked it on wikimapia - surprisingly clearly visible, specially from Khab Bridge to Ka, and Nako to Maling area, including the block.
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Malling block

These are pictures from the "old" NH 22 (lower road to Sumdo) via Malling... now complete destroyed! (2006)
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Is shipki la accessible with ILP?

hi,

i would be passing through kinnaur/spiti/lahaul on a motorcycle, either in june or august this year. how real are the chances to trek up to shipki la pass? are ILPs given for this trek and if they are, where to obtain them? Rekong Peo? or is this a strict no-entry zone?

appreciate inputs.
thanks and regards,
subash/chennai
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