[cyberhippie]

Cheers, good to be aware of these things in order to avoid any possible mishaps!!

[leopd]

My first trip to India and aside from BA strike hitting already..dodged..presumably Mumbai queueing starts here, I am a vegan and do not want to take conventional vaccines as the contain many more animal derived proteins than I want and heavy metals to prevent complete outbreaks in/off my system.

Here's what I'm doing ( I shall be praying only that I get to visit an Ayurvedic doc when I'm there, over my constitution and general well being most likely )

Weekly, I am to take starting a week ahead of the journey:

Hepatititis homeopathic nosode 30c
Dengue fever nosode 30c
Malaria officinalis 30c
Cholera nosode 30c
Shigella Typhi 30c ... for Dysentry
Meningococcal Vacc 30c
Yellow Fever 30c
Clostridium Mix 30c ...for Tetanus
Salmonella Typhi. 30c ... Typhoid
Polio nosode 30c

Please consult a Homeopath not me for professional help. remedies can be purchased from ainsworth.com


Ref. ( The world travellers' manual of Homoeopathy, Dr Colin B. Lessell, 1999 London, Cassell )
p.14
1) 'Where the conventional technique is of poor statistical efficacy.' WHO published stats say just 50% with conventional 2 jab immunisation for Cholera. 'homoeopathic remedies may be given in substitution, or, alternatively, may be used to complement the orthodox method.'

2) ' Where a conventional immunisation course has not been completed. The situation generally arises when a last-minute decision has been made to journey abroad. Homoeopthic remedies may be used to complement the orthodox approach.'

3) 'Where there is no satifactory conventional technique'. For example none for bacillary dysentry, also called Shigellosis. ' Or where, there is lack of availability of conventional technique ( as in remote places).'

4) 'Where there are strong medical contraindications to orthodox immunisation.'

5) 'Where the traveller, whether from a dislike of injections or lack of trust in orthodoxy, refuses the conventional approach.'

[SANJAY_DEL]

Originally Posted by leopd

I am a vegan and do not want to take conventional vaccines as the contain many more animal derived proteins than I want and heavy metals to prevent complete outbreaks in/off my system.....
'Where there are strong medical contraindications to orthodox immunisation.'

'Where the traveller, whether from a dislike of injecions or lack of trust in orthodoxy, refuses the conventional approach.'

For curious reasons you wish to avoid vaccines.
A small number of highly publicized claims unsubstantiated by valid data have heightened the suspicion that some or all vaccines routinely cause unacceptable adverse events. Antivaccine advocacy groups actively encourage avoidance of immunization because of the unproven belief that vaccines can cause certain disorders , e.g. autism. Websites maintained by such groups commonly appear in the first 10 listings identified by search engines.
This situation presents a challenge to physicians who need to educate people about vaccine benefits and risks.

[leopd]

Originally Posted by SANJAY_DEL

For curious reasons you wish to avoid vaccines.

Let me try to settle your curiosity, for it is a fact that too few people in the world are offered life saving medicine; for the reasons of profit, industrial growth and prosperity, measured in terms other than the health of the population.
Your reiteration of the debate, over the arguement about the discovery of autism, and there would presumably be hence other discoveries, both personal or published which may vouch for this; identifies the relevant dangers of the pharmaceutical industry. Academic science is not required to give support evidence with contolled investigations per se.

Originally Posted by SANJAY_DEL

A small number of highly publicized claims unsubstantiated by valid data have heightened the suspicion that some or all vaccines routinely cause unacceptable adverse events. Antivaccine advocacy groups actively encourage avoidance of immunization because of the unproven belief that vaccines can cause certain disorders , e.g. autism. Websites maintained by such groups commonly appear in the first 10 listings identified by search engines.
This situation presents a challenge to physicians who need to educate people about vaccine benefits and risks.

Science concerns the future of the debate for it, in philosphical terms as well as humanistic; it is not the finality of failure to react (bystander apathy), to situations demanding both attention and those where help can be on offer, often life saving help, which is threatening to the altruist.

I am not asking to profit from scientific enquiry, however you think it is substantiated, by lending myself to proofs, and theorems but the additional precautions one might respect, for the matter of fact, let us say qualitatively sustantiated evidence, that e.g. homoeopathy has worked. Yes, let's discuss paceobos in rational, objective factor analytic ways which, as far as this argument is concerned assures that the failure rate of medicines ( undefined ) is due to some commonality; amongst measures which should be implemented as precursors.

These tips for travel or fore warnings or advice are not an open shop to prevention of illness. Though hygiene and imrovements in sanitary awareness etc. may act, as for the evidence of medical benefits from vaccines, over centuries and not decades it therefore remains scant still, as to whether it is for the increased living standard and care, cleanliness and education which causes the

Originally Posted by SANJAY_DEL

risks.

above, and beyond.


ps. an apple a day will not be sufficient I fear

[Anders]

Originally Posted by leopd

Yellow Fever 30c

There are no yellow fever in India.

[cyberhippie]

Interesting argument, so why then give a list of potions from your own belief system, which I imagine suffers under all the same dicreditations and is also in some manner motivated by business concerns???

[SANJAY_DEL]

Originally Posted by Anders

There are no yellow fever in India.

There is no Yellow Fever in India.
Yellow fever vaccination certificate is required for all travelers arriving from or transiting through a yellow-fever-infected area in Africa or the Americas. Not recommended otherwise.

[leopd]

Originally Posted by cyberhippie

Interesting argument, so why then give a list of potions from your own belief system, which I imagine suffers under all the same dicreditations and is also in some manner motivated by business concerns???

Would you buy the stuff, or would you accept it if it were given? I'LL THINK THAT to myself since your question deserves an answer not another question, and I don't want to see my pride get in the way of spending my time writing messages by the thousand at a pace dictated by any one else- I'm trying to be brief now as I'm on another site bloggin too. However, I had previously searched for information, based on Imikers experience, and not been successful in my search.

Now this: 'Potions,' homoepathy, is not. Perhaps you MIGHT benefit from the argument, considering testing on animals and whether it constitutes further testing if it were a given ( but by whom, and to whom/ How will anyone know? ) that these 'potions' have ever Worked.

My only positive experience to recant is that to a friend who suffered ringworm severely in England a couple of years ago, for over a year, and recovered despite trying other methods when I prescibed the correct homeopathic remedy. that gave me sufficient confidence from which to make this recommendation.

[SANJAY_DEL]

Chloroquin
Cadiquin
Emquin
Lariago
Resochin

Sulphadoxine-Pyrimethamine
Croydoxin-FM
Malocide
Pyralfin
Reziz

Sulphamethoxazole-Pyrimethamine
Metakelfin

Primaquin
Malirid

Quinine
Cinkona
Quinarsol-300

Mefloquine
Confal
Falcital
Mefliam
Meflotas

Bulaquine
AAblaquin

Proguanil
Laveran
Progunal

Mepacrine
Maladin
Mepalex

Arteether
Cadither
Rapither

Artesunate
Falcigo
Falcinil
Ulteria

Artemether
Larither

[SANJAY_DEL]

Malaria Risk in India
"All areas, including the cities of Delhi and Bombay. Risk in areas at altitudes <2,000 m (6,561 ft) in Himachal Pradesh, Jammu, Kashmir, and Sikkim."
Prevention


All travelers to malaria-risk areas in the South Asia region, including infants, children, and former residents of the Indian Subcontinent, should take one of the following antimalarial drugs (listed alphabetically):

* atovaquone/proguanil,
* doxycycline,
* mefloquine,
* primaquine (in special circumstances).

Note: Chloroquine is NOT an effective antimalarial drug in South Asia and should not be taken to prevent malaria in this region.

Most antimalarial drugs are well-tolerated; most travelers do not need to stop taking their drug because of side effects. However, if you are particularly concerned about side effects, discuss the possibility of starting your drug early (3-4 weeks in advance of your trip) with your health care provider. If you cannot tolerate the drug, ask your doctor to change your medication.

More at : http://www.cdc.gov/travel/regionalmalaria/indianrg.htm

[SANJAY_DEL]

Summary of Immunization recommendations:

All travelers should visit either their personal physician or a travel health clinic 4-8 weeks before departure.

Malaria: Prophylaxis with Lariam, Malarone, or doxycycline is recommended for all areas, except for areas at altitudes >2,000 m (6,561 ft) in Himachal Pradesh, Jammu, Kashmir, and Sikkim.

Vaccinations:

Hepatitis A


Recommended for all travelers


Typhoid


Recommended for all travelers


Polio


One-time booster recommended for any adult traveler who completed the childhood series but never had polio vaccine as an adult


Yellow fever


Required for all travelers arriving from or transiting through a yellow-fever-infected area in Africa or the Americas. Not recommended otherwise.


Japanese encephalitis


For long-term (>1 month) travelers to rural areas or travelers who may engage in extensive unprotected outdoor activities in rural areas, especially after dusk


Hepatitis B


For travelers who may have intimate contact with local residents, especially if visiting for more than 6 months



Rabies


For travelers who may have direct contact with animals and may not have access to medical care



Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)


Two doses recommended for all travelers born after 1956, if not previously given



Tetanus-diphtheria


Revaccination recommended every 10 years

[SANJAY_DEL]

MODERATOR NOTE

Whatever Sanjay's qualification and experience, suggest that you check with A LIVE DOCTOR IN THE FLESH before giving any medication to a child.

We, the IndiaMike team, have strong concerns about seeking/giving medical advice on the internet, but heck, it's a free world.

However, internet prescribing for children is not something we want to see done here at all.

[abfab]

Could I just add here for balance, that the malaria prevention advice now being given to UK citizens for travel to India, by the official UK 'Health Protection Agency' (from Jan 2007) differs conciderably from that quoted above by Sanjay Del.

They have now downgraded the reccommended level of protection for large parts of northern and southern India to "awareness and bite prevention only" as the general protection measure.

For the majority of the rest of India (and temporarily, parts of Goa)the general reccommendation is "Chroloroquine and Proguanil".

Assam is the only area classified by them as being high risk, reccommending the more heavy weight drugs (malarone, doxycycline, etc)

There are exceptions to this advice for individual circumstances and you should always take the advice of your own doctor.

The UK advice can be found at www.hpa.org.uk as a very comprehensive 106 page document.

[SANJAY_DEL]

With reference to the above, to keep things in perspective I'm providing this link to a comprehensive document published by the World Health Organization:

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publication...0364_chap7.pdf [pdf file]

[abfab]

Originally Posted by SANJAY_DEL

With reference to the above, to keep things in perspective I'm providing this link to a comprehensive document published by the World Health Organization:

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publication...0364_chap7.pdf [pdf file]

This document is very general, and gives very little advice as to specific recommendations for individual countries let alone areas within countries. It is also dated 2005 whereas the UK document is dated 2007.

The UK document gives a lot of the same drug advice, includes recommendations for repellants, treatments, and other useful imformation too.

A more direct link to the UK report is at

http://www.hpa.org.uk/publications/P...ica tionID=87