Tea (chai) and blood pressure?

Nick-H · Feb 26th, 2008, 00:20

Hmmm... If your core temperature is raised, aren't you ill already?

The last time I drank two litres of cold water (I had to give a urine sample) it made me feel very ill, although I put that down to lowering my blood sugar levels; I was OK after fruit juice and biscuits.

My hunch is that this is one of those each to their own things. As I've said before, I much prefer a hot shower, even in the hottest weather; most people seem to find cold showers refreshing.

PeakXV · Feb 26th, 2008, 00:46

Nick, I think +/- a degree is not unusal and that's generally what they mean when using this terminology with otherwise healthy people.

Below is a link that discusses that fact:

Core Temperature

Core temperature is recorded normal at 37 degrees and may vary 1 degree either side. The factors responsible for heat gain are Basal metabolic rate, muscular activity, hormones, thermic effect of food, menstrual changes and environment.

Those factors that are responsible for heat loss include conduction ,convection and evaporation. If heat gain exceeds heat loss, as can happen readily during vigorous exercise in a warm environment, core temperature rises; in a cool environment on the other hand, heat loss often exceeds heat production and core temperature falls.

......read more

I suppose those who like warm-room temperature water also like the Indian "warm milk on the corn flakes" novelty?

Nick-H · Feb 26th, 2008, 01:08

Ahh, right, ok. Heap of stuff there, and too near bedtime, but main point taken.

And no, I loathe warm, or hot, milk on cereal

Sadhu · Feb 26th, 2008, 02:48

Caffeine in either tea or coffee form can raise blood pressure. Coffee does not lower BP. There are several factors which will influence the net effect on BP: actual caffeine content in said beverage, drinker's normal BP, drinker's metabolism etc. Overall, though, tea and coffee raise blood pressure. There are healthy aspects to drinking tea, especially green tea. Black tea also has benefits, though many are lost if milk or dairy is added to it.

Kabeer · Feb 26th, 2008, 13:12

Nick that was'nt my logic,I just said it to add some spice to it.
It's my personal habbit.& here in north India,most of the people drink as mush tea as I have.

Gardener972 · Feb 26th, 2008, 23:01

You ever try tea (or coffee) with sweetened condensed milk, then poured over ice (or hot)? Ummmmmmm!!!! On that note, it's time for me to make some chai and raise that pressure up a few points!

Aishah · Feb 27th, 2008, 08:11

We used condensed milk for tea when we went camping - the brew, flavoured with gum leaves smoke, was pretty good!
Nick - I hate warm milk on cornflakes - it makes them go soggy fast and I can't stand that. Crunchy with cold milk for me, please.

Kabeer · Feb 27th, 2008, 13:24

I am in North,we don't believe in condensed milk.... Only full cream.

crvlvr · Feb 28th, 2008, 23:38

Found this on yahoo news today
http://food.yahoo.com/blog/beautyeat...rink-green-tea

Quote:

STEADY YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE
Having healthy blood pressure - meaning below 120/80 - is one thing. Keeping it that way is quite another. But people who sip just half a cup a day are almost 50 percent less likely to wind up with hypertension than non-drinkers. Credit goes to the polyphenols again (especially one known as ECGC). They help keep blood vessels from contracting and raising blood pressure

Gardener972 · Feb 29th, 2008, 04:17

Who to believe... one medical study says it raises it, another says it lowers it. I do know that caffeine (as well as sugar) stimulates the adrenal glands and sometimes the adrenal glands are involved with high blood pressure (aldosterone). Sugar turns to fat in the body and fat eventually accumulates in the liver and arteries which can also create high blood pressure (and heart disease). On that note, where's my chai?

Aishah · Feb 29th, 2008, 08:37

Helpful post Gardener - I had forgotten about sugar, fat and the heart connections. I must cut down on my afternoon tea biscuits right now!

ebby · Feb 29th, 2008, 08:53

Tea - black or green is supposed to be good for health but without milk & less sugar. Really dont know whether this is a hype by the tea lobby. Read somewhere that cigarette smoking helps those suffering from Alzheimers .

But what about cancer from smoking. Anyway, a few cups of tea a day really should not hurt .

Aishah · Feb 29th, 2008, 13:14

Hadn't heard that re smoking and Alzheimers, ebby. I thought aluminium had something to do with precipitating it? My father had this disease, and my mother daily used aluminium saucepans and pressure cooker. I often wondered if that had something to do with it... I've used stainless steel since I was 20 when I went flatting and got away from the aluminium. Bit Off Topic I'm afraid....

ebby · Feb 29th, 2008, 16:29

Aishah,really dont know much on alzheimers except that my friend's mother suffered from it and it was heartbreaking to see the transformation. But always have been a tea freak (black with lime and honey)and felt better after a cup! But I am using aluminium pan and will switch over at once to steel. Thanks for the advice.

Sailaway · Feb 29th, 2008, 17:08

Some say cocoa may lower BP. Do they drink cocoa in India?

I'm not a big fan of cocoa, except on a snowy day. Besides, I wouldn't be able to have a cocoa BLACK

Feb 26th, 2008, 00:20	#16
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,220	Hmmm... If your core temperature is raised, aren't you ill already? The last time I drank two litres of cold water (I had to give a urine sample) it made me feel very ill, although I put that down to lowering my blood sugar levels; I was OK after fruit juice and biscuits. My hunch is that this is one of those each to their own things. As I've said before, I much prefer a hot shower, even in the hottest weather; most people seem to find cold showers refreshing. __________________ . IndiaMike Mod Team (The Grumpy One)

Feb 26th, 2008, 00:46	#17
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 3,728	Nick, I think +/- a degree is not unusal and that's generally what they mean when using this terminology with otherwise healthy people. Below is a link that discusses that fact: Core Temperature Core temperature is recorded normal at 37 degrees and may vary 1 degree either side. The factors responsible for heat gain are Basal metabolic rate, muscular activity, hormones, thermic effect of food, menstrual changes and environment. Those factors that are responsible for heat loss include conduction ,convection and evaporation. If heat gain exceeds heat loss, as can happen readily during vigorous exercise in a warm environment, core temperature rises; in a cool environment on the other hand, heat loss often exceeds heat production and core temperature falls. ......read more I suppose those who like warm-room temperature water also like the Indian "warm milk on the corn flakes" novelty? __________________ We shall not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started ...and know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot Don't go to India ~ Pre-trip Warnings & Misconceptions?

Feb 26th, 2008, 02:48	#19
Sadhu The Baron Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ABQ, NM Posts: 208	Caffeine in either tea or coffee form can raise blood pressure. Coffee does not lower BP. There are several factors which will influence the net effect on BP: actual caffeine content in said beverage, drinker's normal BP, drinker's metabolism etc. Overall, though, tea and coffee raise blood pressure. There are healthy aspects to drinking tea, especially green tea. Black tea also has benefits, though many are lost if milk or dairy is added to it. __________________ 'Walk the Earth, Have Adventures'

Feb 27th, 2008, 08:11	#22
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,662	We used condensed milk for tea when we went camping - the brew, flavoured with gum leaves smoke, was pretty good! Nick - I hate warm milk on cornflakes - it makes them go soggy fast and I can't stand that. Crunchy with cold milk for me, please. __________________ "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards."

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Feb 26th, 2008, 01:08	#18
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,220	Ahh, right, ok. Heap of stuff there, and too near bedtime, but main point taken. And no, I loathe warm, or hot, milk on cereal

Feb 26th, 2008, 13:12	#20
Kabeer Account Closed Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 60	Nick that was'nt my logic,I just said it to add some spice to it. It's my personal habbit.& here in north India,most of the people drink as mush tea as I have.

Feb 26th, 2008, 23:01	#21
Gardener972 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas USA Posts: 273	You ever try tea (or coffee) with sweetened condensed milk, then poured over ice (or hot)? Ummmmmmm!!!! On that note, it's time for me to make some chai and raise that pressure up a few points!

Feb 27th, 2008, 13:24	#23
Kabeer Account Closed Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 60	I am in North,we don't believe in condensed milk.... Only full cream.

Feb 29th, 2008, 04:17	#25
Gardener972 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas USA Posts: 273	Who to believe... one medical study says it raises it, another says it lowers it. I do know that caffeine (as well as sugar) stimulates the adrenal glands and sometimes the adrenal glands are involved with high blood pressure (aldosterone). Sugar turns to fat in the body and fat eventually accumulates in the liver and arteries which can also create high blood pressure (and heart disease). On that note, where's my chai?

Feb 29th, 2008, 08:37	#26
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,662	Helpful post Gardener - I had forgotten about sugar, fat and the heart connections. I must cut down on my afternoon tea biscuits right now!

Feb 29th, 2008, 08:53	#27
ebby Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mysore, India Posts: 473	Tea - black or green is supposed to be good for health but without milk & less sugar. Really dont know whether this is a hype by the tea lobby. Read somewhere that cigarette smoking helps those suffering from Alzheimers . But what about cancer from smoking. Anyway, a few cups of tea a day really should not hurt .

Feb 29th, 2008, 13:14	#28
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,662	Hadn't heard that re smoking and Alzheimers, ebby. I thought aluminium had something to do with precipitating it? My father had this disease, and my mother daily used aluminium saucepans and pressure cooker. I often wondered if that had something to do with it... I've used stainless steel since I was 20 when I went flatting and got away from the aluminium. Bit Off Topic I'm afraid....

Feb 29th, 2008, 16:29	#29
ebby Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mysore, India Posts: 473	Aishah,really dont know much on alzheimers except that my friend's mother suffered from it and it was heartbreaking to see the transformation. But always have been a tea freak (black with lime and honey)and felt better after a cup! But I am using aluminium pan and will switch over at once to steel. Thanks for the advice.

Feb 29th, 2008, 17:08	#30
Sailaway Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 76	Some say cocoa may lower BP. Do they drink cocoa in India? I'm not a big fan of cocoa, except on a snowy day. Besides, I wouldn't be able to have a cocoa BLACK

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