Skin So Soft - This is not mossy repel!

monkgonemad · Mar 24th, 2005, 13:41

recently, i had seen a post about 'skin so soft' (avon). i would like to point out this is skin lotion (that was found to have properties that mildly repel mozzies). it should under no circumstances be taken into the bush and used in place of proper repellent be that citronella or deet 99.9%.

i am not aware of anything listed below that one might think of as repellent.

safe travels
monk

water
glycerin
ethylhexyl palmitate
dimethicone
steareth-20
aluminum starch octenylsuccinate
simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil
amaranthus caudatus seed extract
saccharomyces lysate extract
retinyl palmitate
tocopheryl acetate
butyrospermum parkii (shea butter) extract
cetearyl alcohol
steareth-2
glyceryl stearate
caprylic/capric triglyceride
imidazolidinyl urea
methylparaben
carbomer
ceteareth-20
disodium edta
propylparaben
potassium hydroxide
trimethylsiloxysilicate
fragrance
polysorbate 80

vistet · Mar 24th, 2005, 15:10

I have recapped the same from Scotland last summer ; not first-hand experience but from many locals.

Does midges and mozzies have the same preferences ? I dunno.

There is a Swedish preparation that uses around 30 % deet, eucalyptus and rose oil (methinks ) - the later would be listed as "fragrances" in many cases. When they developed this they had bilologists measuring populations around samples.

( oh .. and happy b`day , monk )

Nick-H · Mar 24th, 2005, 16:03

Well,apparently it is for a short time, so not a very good one. Avon are now producing This Product which is meant to be a repellant.

This comparison of repellants is interesting, as is This.

I like this bit...

Quote:

A feeding mosquito will suck up about one millionth of a gallon of blood. That doesn't sound like much, but it may amount to four times her original weight. Her abdomen distends enormously from the bulk of this huge meal. Stretch receptors in her bulging abdomen send flunk signals to her dot sized brain, which tells her to disengage and get away. This is a physical mechanism, and simply reflexive. Determined and possibly vengeful scientists observed that when the connection between their stretch receptors and brain is cut, mosquitoes would feed until they burst.

Now I know how to get my own back on the bastards! Pass the microscope and the micro-disection tools, please

rangss · Mar 25th, 2005, 00:41

My ex-company was planning to sell a contraption that uses LPG. It is called a Mosquito Magnet and is supposed to have been on a good run in the United States.

I don't know where the LPG part comes, but this one is based on the fact that mosquitos zero in on the source of the discharge of carbon-dioxide when they are on a lookout for fresh blood. SO the Mosquito Magnet discharges Co2 in the same way as a human would and thereby attracts the mozzies. When the close in, they are sucked down a chute that works like a vacuum cleaner. Inside the system, they are dehydrated so that they die.

http://www.shrishakti.com/mm.html

jjacquemain · Mar 25th, 2005, 00:53

I have tried the Skin so Soft product around here (Cleveland) and I must say that is worked about as well as water......I think it may have even lured them my way! The best repellent that I have used has been the Deep Woods Off....I hate the smell of repellents!!

traceyam · Mar 25th, 2005, 01:07

The "Skin So Soft" myth was kicked around quite a bit on my Appalachian Trail thruhike. It didn't work there, either.

How much are those Mosquito Magnets going for in India? They're pricey in the U.S.

Shaktipalooza · Mar 25th, 2005, 01:56

when you get to India try 'Odomos' sold everywhere.

Not as obnoxious as DEET based products and not greasy. I do have to wonder what that tingling sensation is all about. Especially when hot and the pores on my skin are open...

randomviolins · Mar 25th, 2005, 07:48

I used Odomos cream on my trip a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to work pretty well. (Wish I had bought it 2 days earlier!)
I really prefer its odor to that of citronella and DEET, both of which are pretty offensive.

randomviolins · Mar 25th, 2005, 07:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangss

My ex-company was planning to sell a contraption that uses LPG ... the Mosquito Magnet discharges Co2 in the same way as a human would and thereby attracts the mozzies. When the close in, they are sucked down a chute that works like a vacuum cleaner. Inside the system, they are dehydrated so that they die.

Rangss, that sounds like a lot of malarkey ...

traceyam · Mar 25th, 2005, 08:49

randomviolins - they're very popular in Arizona, where there's a West Nile virus problem and a hefty mosquito population. I've been around them, they work very well.

rangss · Mar 25th, 2005, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomviolins

Rangss, that sounds like a lot of malarkey ...

ma·lar·key also ma·lar·ky
n. Slang.
Exaggerated or foolish talk, usually intended to deceive.

Well I provided a link to back it

. Don't blame me...i did not invent it

jjacquemain · Mar 25th, 2005, 13:26

It's true...They are here and work quite well as long as you are near the device....There are really big ones that work over X-amount of space and you are pretty safe as long as you do not go to far from the defined space. They are VERY pricey as of yet.

edwardseco · Mar 25th, 2005, 14:44

Actually, I did see some test results on such a device as rangss describes and it was very promising. Mosquitos are very clever and home in not only on color/light but also odor, etc. That is why the electric screen do hickies don't do anything against the varmints. They make a smaller somewhat portable (not backpacker) one also. I have been thinking of picking that up for the back yard. The big ones are used by the rich people in my area to counter West Nile ugly..

mira4bai4 · Mar 25th, 2005, 18:05

Just a couple of bits to throw in the pot:

Unfortunately Odomos contains DEET.
http://clients.rediff.com/odomos/basics.htm
http://chemistry.allinfoabout.com/structures/deet.html

Just in addition to originally Posted by rangss

My ex-company was planning to sell a contraption that uses LPG ... the Mosquito Magnet discharges Co2 in the same way as a human would and thereby attracts the mozzies. When the close in, they are sucked down a chute that works like a vacuum cleaner. Inside the system, they are dehydrated so that they die.

I would submit this addition
http://www.citizensafe.com/storgasintoi.html

I spent time with a couple from the USA that swore by the Avon product, they liberally coated themselves with it, they were happy and carefree in our environment, we tried it smelt good, felt good but maybe we just did not put enough on.

randomviolins · Mar 26th, 2005, 07:52

You may be right, mira. But does Odomos contain just N,N-diethylbenzamide (CAS registry number 1696-17-9), as that website says (http://clients.rediff.com/odomos/basics.htm#2)
... or is that just their abbreviation for N,N-diethyl-3-methylbenzamide (CAS reg. no. 134-62-3), also known as N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide or DEET, as you suggest.
(The difference is subtle, but there is an extra methyl group off the benzene ring in DEET that is not in N,N-diethylbenzamide. See http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cg...amide&Units=SI and http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cg...amide&Units=SI).

I ask you, are we geeks or what?

Mar 24th, 2005, 13:41	#1
monkgonemad Aimless Drifter, Shiftless Idler, Useless Waster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SoEastAsia/AsiaSubCont Posts: 416	Skin So Soft - This is not mossy repel! recently, i had seen a post about 'skin so soft' (avon). i would like to point out this is skin lotion (that was found to have properties that mildly repel mozzies). it should under no circumstances be taken into the bush and used in place of proper repellent be that citronella or deet 99.9%. i am not aware of anything listed below that one might think of as repellent. safe travels monk water glycerin ethylhexyl palmitate dimethicone steareth-20 aluminum starch octenylsuccinate simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil amaranthus caudatus seed extract saccharomyces lysate extract retinyl palmitate tocopheryl acetate butyrospermum parkii (shea butter) extract cetearyl alcohol steareth-2 glyceryl stearate caprylic/capric triglyceride imidazolidinyl urea methylparaben carbomer ceteareth-20 disodium edta propylparaben potassium hydroxide trimethylsiloxysilicate fragrance polysorbate 80

Mar 25th, 2005, 00:41	#4
rangss Bulk Carrier Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,837	My ex-company was planning to sell a contraption that uses LPG. It is called a Mosquito Magnet and is supposed to have been on a good run in the United States. I don't know where the LPG part comes, but this one is based on the fact that mosquitos zero in on the source of the discharge of carbon-dioxide when they are on a lookout for fresh blood. SO the Mosquito Magnet discharges Co2 in the same way as a human would and thereby attracts the mozzies. When the close in, they are sucked down a chute that works like a vacuum cleaner. Inside the system, they are dehydrated so that they die. http://www.shrishakti.com/mm.html __________________ ...and I took the road less travelled.

Mar 25th, 2005, 00:53	#5
jjacquemain Nothing is illegal until you get caught~ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio USA Posts: 533	I have tried the Skin so Soft product around here (Cleveland) and I must say that is worked about as well as water......I think it may have even lured them my way! The best repellent that I have used has been the Deep Woods Off....I hate the smell of repellents!! __________________ There is no defense against chaos~

Mar 25th, 2005, 01:07	#6
traceyam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 426	The "Skin So Soft" myth was kicked around quite a bit on my Appalachian Trail thruhike. It didn't work there, either. How much are those Mosquito Magnets going for in India? They're pricey in the U.S. __________________ "Don't you sometimes wish the arctic was strawberry flavoured?" -- Thermoman

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Mar 24th, 2005, 15:10	#2
vistet Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Umeå , Sweden Posts: 1,764	I have recapped the same from Scotland last summer ; not first-hand experience but from many locals. Does midges and mozzies have the same preferences ? I dunno. There is a Swedish preparation that uses around 30 % deet, eucalyptus and rose oil (methinks ) - the later would be listed as "fragrances" in many cases. When they developed this they had bilologists measuring populations around samples. ( oh .. and happy b`day , monk )

Mar 25th, 2005, 01:56	#7
Shaktipalooza Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 896	when you get to India try 'Odomos' sold everywhere. Not as obnoxious as DEET based products and not greasy. I do have to wonder what that tingling sensation is all about. Especially when hot and the pores on my skin are open...

Mar 25th, 2005, 07:48	#8
randomviolins Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York Posts: 109	I used Odomos cream on my trip a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to work pretty well. (Wish I had bought it 2 days earlier!) I really prefer its odor to that of citronella and DEET, both of which are pretty offensive.

Mar 25th, 2005, 08:49	#10
traceyam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 426	randomviolins - they're very popular in Arizona, where there's a West Nile virus problem and a hefty mosquito population. I've been around them, they work very well.

Mar 25th, 2005, 13:26	#12
jjacquemain Nothing is illegal until you get caught~ Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio USA Posts: 533	It's true...They are here and work quite well as long as you are near the device....There are really big ones that work over X-amount of space and you are pretty safe as long as you do not go to far from the defined space. They are VERY pricey as of yet.

Mar 25th, 2005, 14:44	#13
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,137	Actually, I did see some test results on such a device as rangss describes and it was very promising. Mosquitos are very clever and home in not only on color/light but also odor, etc. That is why the electric screen do hickies don't do anything against the varmints. They make a smaller somewhat portable (not backpacker) one also. I have been thinking of picking that up for the back yard. The big ones are used by the rich people in my area to counter West Nile ugly..

Mar 25th, 2005, 18:05	#14
mira4bai4 Lost in Space Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ND PaharGanj Permanently/Temporarily Posts: 1,195	Just a couple of bits to throw in the pot: Unfortunately Odomos contains DEET. http://clients.rediff.com/odomos/basics.htm http://chemistry.allinfoabout.com/structures/deet.html Just in addition to originally Posted by rangss My ex-company was planning to sell a contraption that uses LPG ... the Mosquito Magnet discharges Co2 in the same way as a human would and thereby attracts the mozzies. When the close in, they are sucked down a chute that works like a vacuum cleaner. Inside the system, they are dehydrated so that they die. I would submit this addition http://www.citizensafe.com/storgasintoi.html I spent time with a couple from the USA that swore by the Avon product, they liberally coated themselves with it, they were happy and carefree in our environment, we tried it smelt good, felt good but maybe we just did not put enough on.

Mar 26th, 2005, 07:52	#15
randomviolins Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York Posts: 109	You may be right, mira. But does Odomos contain just N,N-diethylbenzamide (CAS registry number 1696-17-9), as that website says (http://clients.rediff.com/odomos/basics.htm#2) ... or is that just their abbreviation for N,N-diethyl-3-methylbenzamide (CAS reg. no. 134-62-3), also known as N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide or DEET, as you suggest. (The difference is subtle, but there is an extra methyl group off the benzene ring in DEET that is not in N,N-diethylbenzamide. See http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cg...amide&Units=SI and http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cg...amide&Units=SI). I ask you, are we geeks or what?

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