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Old Feb 16th, 2005, 08:00   #16
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Since you raise the issue what is a doctor of nutrition? Is it a degree from a recognized institution? I want to know if I can add it to my credentials in the priesthood (or was it reverend) in the most holy universal church..
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Old Feb 17th, 2005, 01:05   #17
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nor am i an "anti-vaccine fanatic", but a well researched doctor of nutrition who has studied the deletrious effects of toxins, such as vaccines, on health for many years.

the children in africa are dying of malnutrition. a diagnosis of "AIDS" in africa is not from an actual test, but from symptoms that a person has, the same symtoms that can be from a host of other diseases.

admittedly, it is a very controversial topic, but one that has been well researched by reputable scientists, including Dr. Peter Duesberg. With an open mind I urge truth seekers to read the literature out there, of which there is a lot of. If we only believe what the media tells us we are deluding ourselves about a great many subjects.

http://www.duesberg.com/index.html
Vaccinations work. You and all your friends don't have polio, do they? Dont you find that strange, given your opinion?
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nor am i an "anti-vaccine fanatic", but a well researched doctor of nutrition who has studied the deletrious effects of toxins, such as vaccines, on health for many years.

the children in africa are dying of malnutrition. a diagnosis of "AIDS" in africa is not from an actual test, but from symptoms that a person has, the same symtoms that can be from a host of other diseases.

admittedly, it is a very controversial topic, but one that has been well researched by reputable scientists, including Dr. Peter Duesberg. With an open mind I urge truth seekers to read the literature out there, of which there is a lot of. If we only believe what the media tells us we are deluding ourselves about a great many subjects.

http://www.duesberg.com/index.html

Duesberg may be a professor but calling him a "reputable scientist" is a little misleading. His work is extremely controversial and is rejected by virtually all other scientists and doctors working on AIDS research. In fact, most of them think it's a complete crock. Duesberg is not a medical doctor and does not actually treat patients, so he's free to spin his bizarre theories about the etiology of AIDS without any real life consequences, except perhaps for the credulous few (at least I hope it's few) who forego REAL AIDS treatment because they have bought into Duesberg's theories.
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I have no way to guage the threat of these diseases. The people at the tropical disease center were a little alarmist. Let me know what you think I oughta do.

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I think you'll be fine. Japenese Encep. is not really endemic to most parts of India, but if you are planning to go to other parts of Asia (i.e.more East), then get it. It's only one shot but needs an update after few years but it's expensive and also hurts like hell (my arm was sore for 3 days afterwards). Rabies come in a 3 shot series, and takes about 6 weeks to complete. First 2 shots you can get it within 2 weeks and should provide you with good coverage; if you do ever get bitten by rabbid animals you'll have some immunity but still have to get more shots anyways, seek medical attention ASAP. Rabies is a deadly disease, intially will give you a flu-like illness and you'll have a strange fear of water, at least that's what I learned in med-school. Far was as Hep B, it's the worst and mostly likely disease you may acquire if you share needles, have unprotective sex or get imprisoned... you get the picture, it's blood borne... At least get the first Hep B shot (it also comes in a 3 shot series), which will provide you with some immunity. Doxycycline is a great drug to cover malaria as well as other diseases that can be caused by ticks, gastrointestinal bugs, and even syphilis! It can also clear up pimples. Be sure to wear plenty of sunscreen if you are paled skinned, as doxy can make your skin more sensitive to the sol. Try avoid injections in India if possible, as a recent article said many preprations are contaminated and India also have the highest rise of HIV in Asia. I'd say just be smart in India and wash your hands frequently, drink bottled water, don't pet strange animals, use condoms, avoid sharing needles, bring some DEET & premetherin, and seek a doctor when you do feel sick!

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Old Feb 17th, 2005, 09:02   #20
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Since you raise the issue what is a doctor of nutrition? Is it a degree from a recognized institution? I want to know if I can add it to my credentials in the priesthood (or was it reverend) in the most holy universal church..
recognized and accredited, but does that really matter? the only reason i even mentioned it was as a way to say that i have researched this topic extensively. what matters is being able to respect someone else's belief system without feeling threatened about it to the point that it feels necessary to try and discredit them.

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Vaccinations work. You and all your friends don't have polio, do they? Dont you find that strange, given your opinion?
There is a wealth of invaluable information available, including dozens of book, more of them being written all the time.

Here is some info on the Manipulation of Polio Statistics:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm#randall
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Peoples lives hang in the balance here lotus blossom, it is absolutely not a question of respecting someone elses belief system.
Prof. Duesberg, and you, put forward hypotheses that need to be scrutinised and tested.
Claiming that AIDS is not a viral infection is akin to the catholic church saying that comdoms don't work.
What you put forward is contentious, you should expect that people will question it, and you, which is what edwardesco is doing.
If you and Duesberg are proven correct, then the need for questioning is still proven.
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... it is absolutely not a question of respecting someone elses belief system.
I am not asking for anyone to follow my belief system but simply to respect it, just as I respect yours. The only thing that I am attempting to do is to put the other side of this issue out there. To not study both sides would be disasterous.

And now, I humbly bow out of this conversation.
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I agree with lotus blossom vaccines can be harmful... as can every medical intervention...

It boils down to risk vs. benefit... fact remains that most vaccines have a superb safety record and frankly when you post you "belief system" on a thread where someone is genuinely concerned about their health before they travel is IMHO inappropriate.

So continue with your healthy living... and oh did you hear about how computers can...
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[quote=Frooty]I agree with lotus blossom vaccines can be harmful... as can every medical intervention...

It boils down to risk vs. benefit...

Isn't that true with every area of life? Or, to be trite, "everything has a price." The day after my return from India I became so ill that I couldn't eat or drink for two days. Naturally I became dehydrated and had to go to the hospital for IV replentishment, where I dutifully informed the staff that I had just returned from India. They, of course, all looked at each other and raised their eyebrows. One woman asked, "was it worth it?" Now, what do you think I replied???
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their is only one way to be properly "immunized" - eat a wholesome diet, abstain from poisons (sugar, caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, medications, drugs) and live free from toxic fear of becoming a victim of a ravishing disease. it's worked for me for 20+ years.
It's probably worked for you for 20 years plus because you've never been bitten by a rabid animal.
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It's probably worked for you for 20 years plus because you've never been bitten by a rabid animal.

It's also worked because the people surrounding us today had the vaccinations as children, therefore the disease vectors are no longer here.
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Exactly, good point Sharonov.
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