Serious side effects of Ayurvedic medicines

lotus blossom

the title of this thread is misleading. not all ayurvedic medicines have serious side effects. i am however, concerned about polluted herbs that are laden with pesticides. but nonetheless, when i've been ill in india, i use what a vaidya prescribes, and the stuff cures what ails me, even though it is not likely to be chemical-free.

i personally would like to see stricter controls on ayurvedic herbals and formulas, assuring that they are free of poisonous chemical residue. check out om organics who are doing that in india: http://www.omorganics.com/

as for presription drugs:

Thomas Moore, a senior fellow in health policy at the George Washington University Medical Center, estimates that prescription drugs -- those reviewed and approved by the FDA -- contribute to 100,000 U.S. deaths each year. http://www.health-report.co.uk/presc....html#d eaths

i would not consider putting that sort of thing into my body, not for a moment. i'd go with the placebo anyday over this sort of poison, some of which is never even properly FDA tested before it is released to the pubic.

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lotus blossom

perfect!

mercy

I dont thin so, that there will be any side effects if the sidda medicined will be given by the proper medical trianed persons.

ladyvetphd

I have to agree with GC. The good Dr. Barai seems to be taking the importance of science as practised by Allopaths to be of a high degree. As someone from the drug industry, I can tell you that there are several pitfalls with the so called allopathic medicines, just because the drug companies are a powerful lobby, a lot of things are hushed up. Any good pharmacologist will tell you everything has the potential to be poison- even the food that you eat! So all drugs have potential toxicity -even the ones deemed safe. Also, scientist are now realizing that we humans metabolize all drugs differently, so what works for one may not work for antother, or what causes toxicity for some may be completely harmless for others. Yes, while it is as I said in my post on homeopathy, good to have knowledge and document things in all systems of medicines, just don't be naive enough to believe that just because allopathy documents stuff better that it is superior to other systems (BTW : the drug industry is doing things sytematically, only because it is forced to so by regulatory authorities, needless to say enforcement of standards should apply to all systems of medicne in the interest of consumers, but please don't berate one system, and sing praises of other system- it just exposes your ignorance/naivete.

Nick-H

Unfortunately the doctor is taking the importance of science (as percieved by himself) as the only degree.

I haven't met with such a blinkered viewpoint in members of the medical proffesion for twenty years or so.

Those were the days when it was amusing to ask a doctor if they believed in herbal medicine. The inevitable answer was strongly negative. One then went on to ask how many of their drugs were either extracted from, or originally found in, plants....

The correct answer (at that time, if I remember rightly) was more than half!

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capt_mahajan

two busy threads on alternative medicine at the same time?
i think i need a placebo.. a rum, water (no coke, pesticide!!), and lime.

Dr.Barai

The sole purpose of this thread was to spread the awareness that ayurvedic medicines do have toxic side effects and toxic side effects are nothing unique to allopathic medicine. This is important in the context of Indian scenario due to the fact that we are taught that ayurvidic medic medicine have a semi-Devine connection and are totally devoid of any toxicity. I have seen celebrated ayurvedic doctors making statements like thsese medicines are totally safe etc etc. I assume less informed ayurvedic doctors will make even bolder claims regarding safety. Ayuvedic medicines does contain active ingredient in them unlike homeopathic medicines and will produce a pharmacological effect when administered. There is no question that they work, the safety and efficacy is a different issue. I just hope to convey the message that all herbal remedies can produce side effects and the patient should not accept toxicity considering them to be a devine wish!!!!!

Dr.Barai

The discovery of digitalis is accredited to the Scottish doctor William Withering, and makes for quite an interesting historical story. While working as a physician in Staffordshire in the 16th Century he become the richest doctor outside of London, and bought Edgbaston Hall in Birmingham, which is now Edgbaston Golf Club. In 1775, one of his patients came to him with a very bad heart condition and since Withering had no effective treatment for him, thought he was going to die. The patient however went instead to a local gypsy, took a secret herbal remedy - and promptly got much better! When Withering heard about this, he became quite excited and searched for the gypsy throughout the by-ways of Shropshire. Eventually he found her, and demanded to know what was in the secret remedy. After much bargaining, the gypsy finally told her secret. The herbal remedy was made from a whole concoction of things, but the active ingedient was the purple foxglove, digitalis purpurea. The potency of digitalis extract had been known since the dark ages, when it had been used as a poison for the mediaeval 'trial by ordeal', and also used as an external application to promote the healing of wounds. There are also reports of digitalis extract finding some use in the treatment of dropsy. So, Withering tried out various formulations of digitalis plant extracts on 163 patients, and found that if he used the dried, powdered leaf, he got amazingly successful results. He introduced its use officially in 1785.

Nick-H

That is a message well-worth spreading.

Regretably you have, in about 24 hours, made yourself out to be astonishingly narrow-minded about forms of medicine other than allopathic.

Is there any other system of medicine that you consider OK? Tibetan? Chinese? How are you on reflexology? accupuncture? How about diagnosis by the marks on a person's iris? how about shiatzu? What about putting people inside wooden pyramids? or in floatation chambers? Perhaps you are a secret drinker of your own urine, or do you refer your patients for colonic irrigation sessions?

...OK, OK, Iknow: I'm just being plain silly now! And there are certainly one or two things in that list that cause me to doubt the sanity of both practitioner and patient...

mercy

Unless the person who is treating the person is mis leading the treatment, there is no other way of getting side effects in ayurvedas.

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greenchutney

why bother mercy?..this doc here is pretty set in this thinking (refer to the homoepathy thread as well). science explains everything for him, its all black and white.. and according to him most of the indian doctors and scientists are religious, superstitious what not.

yeah...line up everyone outside his lucknow clinic..open that mouth wide while i shove a boatload of antibiotics for that cold and runny nose......


i will donate money to buy some extremely potent triphala for this doc.....should we say take it 12 times a day doc.....

batistuta

As far as the medicines having a divine origin is concerned,all the arts like drama,music,and varied streams of knwledge were considered to have descended from heavens above .
It is thier way of honouring the divine and even if you dont believe in thier divine origin still it does heal in many ways.
It has simple remedies for many problems and if someone gets cured frm ayurveda or homeopathy then good for them .
Why dont we just leave it at that doc instead of saying
homeopathy has no scentific basis or Berating ayurveda.




As you are holding allopathic medicine as the only true science
how do you counter the spurious drugs menace in India doc.
The drugs itself are fake and i would rather get cured with a
placebo than take fake drugs prescribed by Allopathic docs.

mercy

Its not bathering (greenchutney)Its about sharing

batistuta

Gc was sayin that the doc was pretty set on his way of thinking
and no amount of sharing info would change his point of view.

mercy

durgs are creating by humans not by super natural power, so there is always a chance for a mistake.