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#1 Dec 20th, 2009, 16:18
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My friend C, who´s spent a fair amount of time in India, discovered a strange thing that he used to take to get a BIG high. Apparently they sell it in many places, and it consists on a line of little envelopes, you get one for one rupee, solve it in water, and up (or down) you go. According to him, it´s the kind of stuff the ricksaw drivers take. There are several kinds of them, and not all of them get you high, but the ones named something like "munyaka" or "munaka" are quite strong. The generic name for this things seems to be something like "sopari" or "supari". Maybe some of you kind bloggers know what he´s talking about, what´s inside this envelopes , and how safe could it be to give it a try. (I bet not too safe in any case, but hey, all I´m doing for now is look for info). Thank you, Peg, curious sensation tester.
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That is not mysterious drug, most probably you are talking about Manickchand Gutkha, Gutkha, Pan Masala,

Supari means betel nut, its famous all over india, for getting high , most labourers dont need food but need gutkha, bar to survive,, bar is mixture of some tobacco masala (120, 320) along with betelnut, and other stuffs used in making PAAAN ;-)and these are directly consumed from packet, only the BAR is made from combination of mixtures but as far as I know they dont add water to gutkha, and suparis ;-0

This is the mysterious drug, if I am not wrong ;-0
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that´s exactly it

That was fast!
Yes, those are the things, but C, who´s here with me, says there´s only one brand of them that gets you high, VERY HIGH he says, and we are wondering if you know whether any of this things has bang in it, or even opium. The name is something similar to "munaka", but he´s not sure, since the label was in hindi or some other language unknown to him. Thanks, Peg.
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All over india there are thousands of brands and your friend C might have not tried all of them I suppose, and many are strong , manickchand is most famous of them, and pan parag also, there are also by name of cities, like Bombay , goa, I remember in my childhood taking one packet for 50 paise of one goa gutkha and suffering a lot, its hell irritation to throat for simple sobers like me ;-(,

So never tried it afterwards, but these products have their different fan following, a huge population consumes these, usually tobacco is mixed with lime ( chuna) and then mixed and eaten,, its famous everywhere, ;-)


The main ingredient is tobacco, and sacchrin, in these gutkhas and i dont think you could sell opium so cheap in india that too legally in almost each and every nook and corner, in every small shop, paan shops so it doesnt contain opium , it contains tobacco and some other ingredients ,
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Originally Posted by Peg A. Ming View Post how safe could it be to give it a try.
The trouble with buying packets of paan is that you're not going to know which one you're buying, and therefore will have no idea what the ingredients are, yet alone be able to judge how harmful or otherwise it would be.

These are manufactured products, and as opium is illegal in India it is highly unlikely that this would be an ingredient. If you must get high, I cannot think of a worse way of going about it than experimenting with a product that apparently gives a serious high but that could contain anything!

Far more likely though is that your friend got high not because the paan was incredibly strong but because he was excited about the prospect of it and wanted to get high. Foreign country, mysterious packet full of odd tasting stuff, how could it not work!
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A friend of mine who is a dentist, says these paan stuff sold in these packets are the quickest route to oral cancer. Absolutely hideous stuff. All kinds of stuff powdered in to give the user a 'high'.

And the rest of the warnings by others apply too.
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If it is 'gutka' or 'paan masala', once or twice is not going to harm you, though I would certainly be against making it a habit. The other thing you need to consider is that India is a large country and one does not know if some paan seller is in league with mafiosi and is selling opium in packets. Many do, and it is consumed, as you say by rikshaw-pullers and other workers. But these would not displayed on the counter. These are usually produced out of some nook and corner of the shop.
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As others have also said, I would like to reemphasize, Gutka is very very unhealthy. AVOID.
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An article from 2000, but still relevant:
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Gutkha does more harm than paan -- Study
TANVIR SIDDIQUI
.....The standard ingredients of gutkha are: areca nut, lime, catechu, tobacco, menthol, sandal oil, spices and (unspecified) flavours. Thus, gutkha has all the ingredients of paan except for the leaf, according to the GCRI study. It says the tobacco content in gutkha is of uncertain quantity and quality.

The GCRI report attributes a finding to National Institute of Occupational Health, Ahmedabad, according to which chemical analysis of five different brands of paan masala (plain as well as with tobacco) showed the presence of polycyclic armoatic hydrocarbons, nitrosaminites toxic metals such lead, cadmium and nickel and residues of pesticides.....

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What a pouch contains:

Areca nut 70 to 80 %

Catechu 10 %

Lime 1%

Unspecified 9 to 19 per cent

(Source: GCRI)
http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/dail.../ina25008.html

I thought Gutkha was banned, or is it only in some states?

From the CDC (Centers for Disease Control & Prevention)-USA, website:
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ss/betel_quid/
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Betel Quid with Tobacco (Gutka)

Definition
Betel quid is a combination of betel leaf, areca nut, and slaked lime. In many countries, tobacco is also added, and the product is known as gutka, ghutka, or gutkha. Other ingredients and flavorants are also added according to local preferences and customs (e.g., sweeteners; catechu; or spices such as cardamom, saffron, cloves, anise seeds, turmeric, and mustard).1,2

Gutka is commercially available in foil packets/sachets and tins. It is consumed by placing a pinch of the mixture in the mouth between the gum and cheek and gently sucking and chewing. The excess saliva produced by chewing may be swallowed or spit out.2.........

Health Effects
The following conditions and cancers have been associated with using betel quid/gutka.
Precancerous conditions

* Oral precancerous lesions, including erythroplakia (a reddened patch in the mouth) and leukoplakia (a white patch on the mucous membranes in the mouth that cannot be wiped off).2,5
* Oral submucous fibrosis (OSF), a precancerous lesion that stiffens the soft pink tissue that lines the inside of the mouth (i.e., oral mucosa). OSF may extend into the esophageal tract. OSF is a debilitating and irreversible condition that often results in an inability to open the mouth. Treatment consists of cutting the fibrous bands in the mouth.2,5,6

Cancer

* Oral cancers—predominantly carcinomas of the lip, mouth, tongue, and pharynx2,5,7
* Cancer of the esophagus2
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I remember that, a few years ago, Maharashtra state was trying to ban it, but it is a mafia business, and the producers have far too much influence over the politicians, so it goes on...
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Hmmm, that's true, surely something like this generates plenty of cash.

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Gutkha Ban Bears On Kothari Foods
Posted: Friday, Jul 19, 2002 at 0000 hrs IST
Mumbai, July 18: : The decision of the Maharashtra Government to ban the use of gutkha and all pan masala products from August 1, weighed heavily on the stock prices of Kanpur-based Kothari Food Products, with the stock price tumbling by 8.56 per cent amid heavy selling pressure on both the exchanges. The maker of famous pan masala brand Pan Parag also witnessed heavy trading volumes on both the leading bourses.

According to the dealers, with the Maharashtra government also joining the league of other state governments like Gujarat, Goa, Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh and the central government also seriously considering banning use of all these products, prompted all round selling in this counter...........http://www.financialexpress.com/news...i-foods/52535/
Also: http://www.business-standard.com/ind...spread/116219/
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Oh yes ! It's a huge money spinning business. I remember one of the Gutka Kings, gifted Maybach to his daughter on her birthday. He even managed to get a placement of keys handing over ceremony in several mainstream news channel also.
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I only know that they are a nuisance environmentally as the pouches are spread everywhere and dried lizard powder was also found in one of the gutka factory in mid 90’s.
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Originally Posted by Peg A. Ming View Post That was fast!
Yes, those are the things, but C, who´s here with me, says there´s only one brand of them that gets you high, VERY HIGH he says, and we are wondering if you know whether any of this things has bang in it, or even opium. The name is something similar to "munaka", but he´s not sure, since the label was in hindi or some other language unknown to him. Thanks, Peg.
Munaka is a mix of bhang and other ingrediants which aid in making it eatable.A person may require to consume 6-7 packets
to get high.

A lot of info is avaiable in the net on this so all you need to do is read up on earlier threads.Gutkha is a beetle nut based preparation and not to be confused with Munaka.
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Please don’t eat both ********** and *** avoid taking. Both have some contents (heavy metals and some unknown Poisons )ingredients that make fast kick addiction. Proven that have creating number of mouth cancer patients, and also create so many stomach related aliments to the regular uses
http://www.funonthenet.in/forums/ind...topic=127894.0

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