My stomach won't quit hurting!!!

machadinha · Mar 19th, 2005, 10:16

Well yoghurt keeps your intestinal flora or what's it called in English alive so it's a good idea to eat it regularly at any time. You don't need the silly Yakult and what have you for it either ("with beneficial bacteria!!!" -- just so all those customers thinking "bacteria?!? but were'nt germs harmful to you?" will buy it too.)

Yetijuice · Mar 19th, 2005, 11:11

Machadinha, does yakult = yak cult? I am a fan of Blue Oyster Cult. Don't fear the reaper!

My criticism is directed towards randomviolins (post # 8) "go slow with the milk" and rangss (post # 19) "yes ... this is true" seconding the motion. Eat yogurt every day if you want to be regular.

Little Miss Muffett sat on her tuffet, eating her curds and whey. Don't let some spider tell you to avoid dairy products when you have an upset stomach. Help is just one bowl of yogurt away!

machadinha · Mar 19th, 2005, 11:19

Hi Yetijuice,

Yakult is some silly expensive yoghurt drink including the "good germs!!" I mentioned that they try to push on Dutch people now. I don't know the brand names but I'm sure something similar is happening in other western countries. What it seems like to my layman's eyes is they're trying to push the old folk wisdom of yoghurt = good for stool under some new guise, directed to a public who think bacteria let alone intestinal flora are icky (Gotlib has an older and funny comic on the latter if he's been translated in your language).

I couldn't find back the posts you refer to in a hurry but milk tends to upset the stomach yes, whereas yoghurt helps to comfort it. So there you go.

machadinha · Mar 19th, 2005, 11:21

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Originally Posted by machadinha

I couldn't find back the posts you refer to in a hurry

Whoops I see now you numbered them.

Nick-H · Mar 19th, 2005, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yetijuice

I would not call tetracycline a powerful antibiotic for Delhi Belly. That honor goes to Lomotil. ... ... ...

Tetracycline is a powerful antibiotic

Lomotil is not an antibiotic

a quick google will confirm this.

I'm not a doctor or a pharmacist either, but your attitude to drug use seems a little err... unorthodox.

Nick-H · Mar 19th, 2005, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikuru

this thread is stupid, either you go to a doctor or you dont.

That really should be the last word here

dzibead · Mar 19th, 2005, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H

Tetracycline is a powerful antibiotic

Lomotil is not an antibiotic

a quick google will confirm this.

I'm not a doctor or a pharmacist either, but your attitude to drug use seems a little err... unorthodox.

Right on, Nick! Lomotil is an "anti-motility agent" NOT an antibiotic! There's quite a difference!

On the yoghurt/milk discussion: milk can cause gas, bloating and loose bowels in people who are lactose (or is it lactase?) intolerant so it could exacerbate uncomfortable gastro-intestinal symptoms, but I've read that yoghurt made with live acidophilous cultures (the good kind of yoghurt bacteria) doesn't cause the same g-i problems because the lactose (or lactase) is somehow changed in the transition from milik to yoghurt, and that such yoghurt (as opposed to the kind that seems to be made from melted down plastic bags) is actually beneficial to the g-i tract, as several previous posters suggested.

cyberhippie · Mar 19th, 2005, 16:13

Ok stomach cramps, the runs and know mention of fever experience tells me you have most likely got gardia!! That's not an Irish policmans disease a but parasite you get from unwashed/uncooked veggies, unfilrtered water etc call them worms if you like.
I do know the cure for this but I ain't a doctor so I'm not telling you what it is! Go to a doctor and get a stool test, this will confirm whether my educated guess was correct but more importantly it will give you a much better diagnosis than all us amateurs here on a "travel forum"
Incidently tetracyclene is a broad based antibiotic that probably isn't suitable for specific stomach complaints and is certainly no use for gardia so please stop adovocating it's use!! Unless your a trained practioner!!
Have fun at the doctors!!!

Ikuru · Mar 19th, 2005, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnalex13

hey,
My father who went on the trip as well is having the same problems but more severe problems. He is going to a doctor today to get checked out. I might bum off him what the doctor gives him.
John B

Great Idea, take your fathers medecine, mix it with Oatmill and a spice of liquid acid ad a Guiness beer and put it in the blender. This brew should be drunk every morning of the month untill the night of Full moon, when you should switch the Guiness beer for goat urin. Note I´m not a "real" doctor but its verry Important that the Goat Urine is from a Virgin goat.
That should straighten you out straight away, maybe...

LuAnnandJawahar · Mar 20th, 2005, 20:58

THIS is why you shouldn't come to a travel forum for advice on health issues. Like someone above said, the reluctance to go to Dr. is, well in this case, irresponsible. "Sounds like" Giardia to us, but what the hell do we know??

Yetijuice · Mar 20th, 2005, 22:20

I will repeat my recommendation that tetracycline is better and safer for you than Lomotil. I first read about tetracycline being used for Delhi Belly in Stephen Bezruchka's "Trekking in Nepal" guidebook prior to my first Himalayan trek in 1983. I do not have a copy of that book with me so I cannot quote you chapter and verse. About 1984 there were over 20 westerners in one year in Nepal who died after taking Lomotil. Yes, it was something they carried in their medicine kit and took without consulting a doctor. Trekkers did not carry cellphones with them when on walkabout in the '80's. If the nearest health post was a 3 day walk away trekkers were inclined to use the old journalism adviso "go with what you got" gut check.

Nick-H · Mar 20th, 2005, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikuru

... ... ...Note I´m not a "real" doctor but its verry Important that the Goat Urine is from a Virgin goat.... ......

A Virgin goat? Indeed, sir, you are no doctor at all. Anyone, even without medical training, knows it must be a British Airways Goat

Judi · Mar 23rd, 2005, 00:33

Would johnalex13 please put the rest of us out of our collective misery and give us an update on his state of health!

Why ask for advice/help and be happy to receive the many and varies replies - then leave us all not knowing what happened next?

Awful thought

maybe he is to ill to get to his pc .........

Come on, johnalex, let us know you're alive and kicking!

Judi

johnalex13 · Mar 23rd, 2005, 00:46

Hey all,

thanks for all for suggestions. The diahria has cleared up. The herbal anti bacterial medicines seemed to have cleared it up. But now I have the opposite problem. I am feeling a bit of constepation due to some Imodium I took.

We will see how my stomach is truely doing when the constepation clears up.

Thanks
John B

rangss · Mar 23rd, 2005, 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judi

Would johnalex13 please put the rest of us out of our collective misery and give us an update on his state of healthJudi

Yeah johnalex13! It is not nice to pile your tummy trouble on us and walk out. Do let us know how you feel. Judi, here is having a bad case of acidity from concern

Mar 19th, 2005, 10:16	#31
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 10,917	Well yoghurt keeps your intestinal flora or what's it called in English alive so it's a good idea to eat it regularly at any time. You don't need the silly Yakult and what have you for it either ("with beneficial bacteria!!!" -- just so all those customers thinking "bacteria?!? but were'nt germs harmful to you?" will buy it too.) __________________ Reading tips, all picked up at IndiaMike : INDAX's A Comprehensive Guide To India / Dinoj Surendran's Desi Humor / ITHVC on Culture Shock & Travel Health / JetLag Travel Guides For the Undiscerning Traveller / India Travel Links

Mar 20th, 2005, 20:58	#40
LuAnnandJawahar Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Delhi/U.S. Posts: 664	Oh My God THIS is why you shouldn't come to a travel forum for advice on health issues. Like someone above said, the reluctance to go to Dr. is, well in this case, irresponsible. "Sounds like" Giardia to us, but what the hell do we know?? __________________ Reject violence.

Mar 23rd, 2005, 00:33	#43
Judi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: England Posts: 458	How are you??????? Would johnalex13 please put the rest of us out of our collective misery and give us an update on his state of health! Why ask for advice/help and be happy to receive the many and varies replies - then leave us all not knowing what happened next? Awful thought maybe he is to ill to get to his pc ......... Come on, johnalex, let us know you're alive and kicking! Judi

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Mar 19th, 2005, 11:11	#32
Yetijuice Old Trekkers Never Die, They Go Over the Next Pass Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Behind the Orange Curtain, California Posts: 174	Machadinha, does yakult = yak cult? I am a fan of Blue Oyster Cult. Don't fear the reaper! My criticism is directed towards randomviolins (post # 8) "go slow with the milk" and rangss (post # 19) "yes ... this is true" seconding the motion. Eat yogurt every day if you want to be regular. Little Miss Muffett sat on her tuffet, eating her curds and whey. Don't let some spider tell you to avoid dairy products when you have an upset stomach. Help is just one bowl of yogurt away!

Mar 19th, 2005, 11:19	#33
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 10,917	Hi Yetijuice, Yakult is some silly expensive yoghurt drink including the "good germs!!" I mentioned that they try to push on Dutch people now. I don't know the brand names but I'm sure something similar is happening in other western countries. What it seems like to my layman's eyes is they're trying to push the old folk wisdom of yoghurt = good for stool under some new guise, directed to a public who think bacteria let alone intestinal flora are icky (Gotlib has an older and funny comic on the latter if he's been translated in your language). I couldn't find back the posts you refer to in a hurry but milk tends to upset the stomach yes, whereas yoghurt helps to comfort it. So there you go.

Mar 19th, 2005, 16:13	#38
cyberhippie Account Closed by User's Request Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 6,012	Ok stomach cramps, the runs and know mention of fever experience tells me you have most likely got gardia!! That's not an Irish policmans disease a but parasite you get from unwashed/uncooked veggies, unfilrtered water etc call them worms if you like. I do know the cure for this but I ain't a doctor so I'm not telling you what it is! Go to a doctor and get a stool test, this will confirm whether my educated guess was correct but more importantly it will give you a much better diagnosis than all us amateurs here on a "travel forum" Incidently tetracyclene is a broad based antibiotic that probably isn't suitable for specific stomach complaints and is certainly no use for gardia so please stop adovocating it's use!! Unless your a trained practioner!! Have fun at the doctors!!!

Mar 20th, 2005, 22:20	#41
Yetijuice Old Trekkers Never Die, They Go Over the Next Pass Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Behind the Orange Curtain, California Posts: 174	I will repeat my recommendation that tetracycline is better and safer for you than Lomotil. I first read about tetracycline being used for Delhi Belly in Stephen Bezruchka's "Trekking in Nepal" guidebook prior to my first Himalayan trek in 1983. I do not have a copy of that book with me so I cannot quote you chapter and verse. About 1984 there were over 20 westerners in one year in Nepal who died after taking Lomotil. Yes, it was something they carried in their medicine kit and took without consulting a doctor. Trekkers did not carry cellphones with them when on walkabout in the '80's. If the nearest health post was a 3 day walk away trekkers were inclined to use the old journalism adviso "go with what you got" gut check.

Mar 23rd, 2005, 00:46	#44
johnalex13 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SC USA Posts: 20	Hey all, thanks for all for suggestions. The diahria has cleared up. The herbal anti bacterial medicines seemed to have cleared it up. But now I have the opposite problem. I am feeling a bit of constepation due to some Imodium I took. We will see how my stomach is truely doing when the constepation clears up. Thanks John B

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