Malaria vaccine by 2010!!!!!!!!!!

knight22

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3742876.stm


I think a vaccine like this would really boost the tourism industry of India..what do you think?

iyou

I disagree with your statement.

But it could save millions of lives in tropical areas around the world.

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edwardseco

I think you should note the limitations of the vaccine as well as the evolutionary nature of the the organism. Also, malaria control was first introduced in India as a means of expanding the population and the revenue to the British Raj. It had a delightfully mixed result on the well being of the Indian masses. What it will do for Africans in those circumstances is speculative. Tourists already have reasonable preventive means so the marginal benefit is very small and more so given the modest degree of effectiveness of this particular vaccine (note that the JE vaccine is similar in that regard). I am not vastly encouraged but who knows..

brianct

notice they keep having to create new vaccines. This is because they have problems. Most importantly a vaccine means giving the person a attenuated form of the disease. There ars many cases of people vaccinated getting the disease they were vacinated for.

1. vaccines may increase virulence
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/06/va...rulenc e.html

2. Vaccines have a mercury based substance in them: thimerosal.
'Since the 1930s, thimerosal has been used in biologics and vaccines for its ability to kill bacteria within certain vaccines. As well, thimerosal prevents bacterial contamination in certain containers'
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'The mercury content of thimerosal poses a potential risk of serious long-term immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions for infants. Health-related organizations such the National Vaccine Program have pointed out many infants received up to 15 mercury- containing vaccines by the time they six months old. These levels of exposure are feared to cause serious developmental and neurologic problems for infants and small children who are developing rapidly, and therefore are more susceptible to mercury toxicity.
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One of the biggest concerns for parents and health officials is the link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Autism is a neurological disorder that typically appears within the first two years of a child’s life. The disorder is marked by problems with the sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral functions of an individual. The condition is the third most common child development disorders. Researchers are paying close attention to the danger of mercury in thimerosal because of the increase in the worldwide rate of autism (from 1-3 cases per 10,000 births to some 30 cases per 10,000 births). This rise has occurred at the very time when the availability of vaccines has increased and a lowering of the age at which many vaccines are administered to infants and young children.'

http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/th...himerosal.html

chappal

Brian, Those are important concerns for people in countries where polio, measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc. have already been eradicated by ongoing vaccination. I do share your concerns, but I think they are only shared by people living in areas where they can benefit from general immunity. Obviously travellers with small children will be faced with tough choices on this matter.

However, what do you think an African mother will think about those risks compared to the risk of her child contracting malaria itself? Malaria still kills more than a million people worldwide each year—90 percent of them in Africa. Over 700,000 of them are children under the age of five -- EACH year.

These diseases themselves are much more dangerous than the vaccines. Children who are not vaccinated are protected from disease only because other children are vaccinated.

turlapati

In fact those children who are not vaccinated can harbour the disease. They then put the rest of the population at risk, allow for the development of new strains and preventing the eradication of the disease.

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brianct

You have compelled me to respond to your remarks.

1. 'In fact those children who are not vaccinated can harbour the disease. They then put the rest of the population at risk'

This is a furfy. Ive heard it before If a person is not vaccinated and the rest of the population is, then how can that one person endanger the vaccinated who are thereby protected? And if that one person harbours an organism that can endanger the vaccinated population, what good is the vaccination? This would prove it does not protect!

But what the vaccinaton DOES do is put the organism into your bood stream directly if done by injection. Thereby by bypassing some of the defences the body has. The organism is now in the bloodstream, and the victim must hope he/she has good anti-bodies.

Below is a site giving testomonise of vaccine damage...it does occur.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/testimonies21.html

Do vaccines protect at all?
the following site discusses this issues:
http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/vacprotect2.html

here is what is in most vaccines:
'Vaccines contain a number of substances which can be divided into the following groups:

1. Micro-organisms, either bacteria or viruses, thought to be causing certain infectious diseases and which the vaccine is supposed to prevent. These are whole-cell proteins or just the broken-cell protein envelopes, and are called antigens.

2. Chemical substances which are supposed to enhance the immune response to the vaccine, called adjuvants.

3. Chemical substances which act as preservatives and tissue fixatives, which are supposed to halt any further chemical reactions and putrefaction (decomposition or multiplication) of the live or attenuated (or killed) biological constituents of the vaccine.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html

So, as you see, one of ther ingredients is the very viral or bacteria material the vaccine is supposed to protect us from. If you dont have an imune system, then you will quickly come down with the disease. Hence babies, esp bottle fed babies, are vulnerable. But maybe adults are as well.

2. Can disease be eradicated? Should it be?
The answer to the 1st question, is of course not. the sole exception this far has been smallpox, as it needs a body to incubate. It can not exist outside the body. This was why the smallpox eradication program ws successful...but even so, smallpox still exists, in labs.
Should it be? The idea of eradicating other organisms should send alarm bells thru people. Where did we get the right to decide what shall exist and what shall be annihilated? Isnt this playing god? Is there anyone so wise as to forsee what the effects are of eradicating an organism? Who can tell what the follow on effects will be.
(to be continued)

brianct

im glad you mentioned polio. But do you know that the polio vaccines of sabin and salk have been problematic since the beginning? Are you familiar with the work of Benjamin sandler MD? No

1st:
'From the early 1960s to the mid-1970s, a new live-virus polio vaccine became, in Salk's words, "the principal if not sole cause" of all reported polio cases in the U.S. Between 1973 and 1983, 87 percent of all cases of polio (excluding imported cases) were caused by the vaccine. More recently, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 (excluding five imported cases) was caused by the vaccine'
http://www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org/Vaccines.htm

So here we have Salk himself saying a vaccine can cause the disease for which it is the professed cure. Sandler said and found by experiment that polio was aided and abetted by low blood suger, caused by refined carbohydrates.
In Dr. Benjamin Sandler's book "Diet Prevents Polio," an unequivocal correlation is found between diet and susceptibility to polio. Sandler found that persons in contact with the virus but eschewing foods high in sugars and starches have significantly greater protection from the polio virus. Dr. Sandler is one of many advocates of the terrain theory whose work has been systematically ignored. The details of his work were published in the American Journal of Pathology in 1941
http://www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org/Vaccines.htm

For those interested, here is Sandlers work:

http://www.whale.to/v/sandler.html

So with one vaccined disease, a diet free of refined carbohydrates during a polio outbreak is the only real cure. I suggest you read the Sandler article and others by him on the internet

Other ways to treat viral illnesses is homeopathy and certain saturated fats found in coconut oil
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe/d.../fco14018.html

(to be continued)

brianct

'I do share your concerns, but I think they are only shared by people living in areas where they can benefit from general immunity'

not so, but the doctors have so drummed into peoples heads, backed by their authority, that vaccines are good and safe, that we have the following occuring:

'SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (December 3, 2000 5:53 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - A mutated polio vaccine has infected at least three people in the Caribbean nations of the Dominican Republic and Haiti, causing the first outbreak of the disease in the Western Hemisphere since 1991, the Pan American Health Organization said.

The outbreak has raised serious concerns because it has been traced to the same oral vaccine that experts have used to eliminate the disease in many countries, said a statement released Saturday by the organization, which is a part of the Washington-based Organization of American States.
http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news635.html

What people in the third world need is healthy food, clean water, sanitary living conditions. Vaccines are at best a foolish stopgap.

brianct

U.S. Soldier's Death Is Tied To Vaccines

By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 19, 2003; Page A19

A 22-year-old female soldier who died last spring after getting multiple vaccines, including the one against smallpox, succumbed to an immune system disease apparently triggered by the immunizations.

That is the conclusion of a panel of experts reviewing the military's experience with smallpox vaccine, which has been given to about 515,000 troops in the past year. A second panel believes that vaccination "possibly" caused the young woman's death.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

You take a vaccine always at your own risk. If you do get the illness, the docs will say the vaccine didnt take.

brianct

'However, what do you think an African mother will think about those risks compared to the risk of her child contracting malaria itself? Malaria still kills more than a million people worldwide each year—90 percent of them in Africa. Over 700,000 of them are children under the age of five -- EACH year.'


Perhaps you havent heard of the following new idea:

'COCONUTS AGAINST MALARIA

A Peruvian scientist has developed a biological method that prevents the spread of malaria.

By Zoraida Portillo



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September 1999

Lima: A simple biological control technique using coconuts, a fruit that is both cheap and abundant in tropical zones, could become a new treatment for malaria.

The disease is endemic in those parts of the world with a humid, tropical climate that provides an abundance of stagnant water where the malaria-carrying mosquitoes breed. Its victims are mostly the inhabitants of the poorest countries, which generally lack basic sanitation services.

Malaria kills three million people annually, nearly double the present number of victims succumbing to AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome), according to the World Health Organisation (WHO). In Africa alone, it kills one million children each year while in Latin America, 1% of the population of Peru is infected with malaria.

The disease is transmitted by the Anopheles mosquito, which can live at altitudes of up to 3,000 metres and whose bite injects the plasmodium parasite into the human body. It can cause death within 72 hours if treatment is not provided in time.

'The majority of people in malaria zones have the parasite in their bodies, that is, they live with the parasite almost continuously. They go to health centres when they become feverish to receive medicine but, when they feel better, they stop taking it,' says Luis Valdez, a specialist in infectious diseases.

As a consequence, the malaria parasite becomes drug-resistant, allowing pregnant women to transmit the parasite to their foetuses. In addition, even if a person completes the quinine-based treatment course, they can then be bitten again by a mosquito and re-infected, adds the expert.

For these reasons, the best way to attack the disease is through prevention. One of the traditional methods is to spray the marshes where the mosquitoes breed with insecticide, but the chemicals are expensive and generally toxic to both humans and the environment.

Now, the Peruvian microbiologist Palmira Ventosilla, of the Institute of Tropical Medicine of the private Cayetano Heredia University of Lima, has developed a biological control method that uses coconuts to grow a microorganism which in turn kills the anopheles larvae, but does not harm other living things or the environment.

This microorganism is produced commercially in industrialised countries, but its importation is too expensive for poor countries afflicted by the disease.

For a long time, Ventosilla searched for a simple method to naturally develop this bacillus, known by its scientific name of Bti, and finally found what she was looking for in coconuts, a fruit that grows abundantly in tropical zones.

'A small quantity of Bti is introduced into the coconut through a hole that is then plugged with cotton and sealed with candle wax. The hard shell of the coconut protects the incubating bacillus, and the milk inside contains amino acids and carbohydrates necessary for its reproduction,' Ventosilla explains.

After two or three days of fermentation, the coconuts are taken to the swamps where the mosquitoes live, the plugs are removed and the coconuts are thrown into the stagnant pools of water. Two or three coconuts are enough to cover a typical pond.

Experiments have demonstrated that this quantity kills all the larvae contained in the marshy pond, and keeps working for 45 days.

'In reality, the reproduction of Bti is not a problem. The harder job is to win over the local people to accept this technique as one that is viable and effective,' says Ventosilla.

She began her experiments in Salitral, a semi-tropical zone on the northern Peruvian coast where marshes abound, as does the mosquito that transmits the disease.

Its population consists mostly of peasants with a minimal level of education and it was very difficult to convince them to abandon the use of insecticides and adopt the 'coconut treatment'.

It was also easy for the locals to wait for the periodic inoculations provided by the Ministry of Health and to simply go to health centres every time they ran a high fever, and experienced intense chills and sweating.

Now, three years after the treatment's effectiveness was put to the test during the El Nino phenomenon - which had prompted authorities to fear a major outbreak of the disease across the whole northern Peruvian coast - the population is enthusiastically participating in training sessions.

'They bring their own knives and candle wax and seem very interested in learning the right way to soak the cotton with Bti, to insert into the coconut,' says one of the instructors on Ventosilla's multi-disciplinary team, composed of biologists, entomologists, sociologists and anthropologists.

A fundamental factor in the acceptance of this alternative technique was the children.

Jorge Velez, one of the team members, devised a way to teach them about the life-cycle of the mosquito and how to make Bti using coconuts. The children then became the biggest advocates of biological control to their parents.

With assistance from the International Centre on Research and Development (ICRD) of Canada, Ventosilla's team is ready to start a second round in villages of the department of Madre de Dios, in the southern Peruvian Amazon.

The goal is to prove the hypothesis that overhead vegetation and algae protect the Bti bacillus from damage caused by the sun's ultraviolet rays, a factor that could be important for the future refinement and expansion of the malaria-control programme. - Third World Network Features/IPS

About the writer: Zoraida Portillo is a correspondent for Inter Press Service, with whose permission the above article has been reprinted
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/1950-cn.htm

brianct

'These diseases themselves are much more dangerous than the vaccines. Children who are not vaccinated are protected from disease only because other children are vaccinated.'


This is a perfect example of brainwashing. The medical establishent has ised its authority to inject ths idea into the ignorant masses, using fear as its carrier.

brianct

its the nativse above all who need preventative methods that are safe and effective, as they have to live in this environment longer than most travellers. The Coconut idea mentioned above is their best hope.

Ikuru

Good thing you said that. I was beginning to think I´m like the only one who see this.

I read a book recently (Onyx and Crake) that that tells the story about How decise is created in order to sell the "medicine" later on. Scarry stuff this medicall industry.

We live in a world where we are brought up to belive that it´s NORMAL and GOOD for us to put unnaturall Cemicals in to out bodys. And that they are good for us etc.

Sure some of them at times HELP us. Protect us from something or help us get rid of something. But its neither normal or Natural and there is ALWAYS sideffects and we don´t always know that.

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Nick-H

Brianct,

There is far more in your posts than I can possibly take in in an early morning browsing session. Salutations to your scholarship and willingness to reproduce all this information here.

I have often heard arguments against vaccination, but, up to now, have not been convinced. I'm beginning to be!

I never heard before that vaccines contain a mercury compound, and I am horrified by this. Even in Dentistry it is no longer hard to find practitioners that consider it wrong to use this poison in their treatment. My dentist in India looked almost offended when I asked if he used it: 'Not for more than ten years!'

My increasing use of homeopathic remedies and vaccines has been more from a pro-homeopathy than an anti-vaccine standpoint. As I am about to spend a period of at least 6 months and maybe years in India I was beginning to wonder if I should go for a round of 'shots'.

No: I shall stick to homeopathy.

Many thanks.