Malaria in India

yogivivek · Jul 13th, 2006, 04:59

the main thing is to build your immume system very strong!
i do it and many other people aswell, just 2 months before you go to india take some herbs from an ayurvedic doctor according to your constitution.

works great!

those anti malaria pills are sooooooo unhealthy!!!
you can aswell start taking herbs in india, thats the country of its origin.

anywayz...... adios

PeakXV · Jul 13th, 2006, 05:04

The begging question is after what period of time do these anti malarial prophylactics start to become more of a risk to your blood system/liver than malaria itself. Are all anti-malarial prophylactics handled in the same manner by the liver or are some more toxic long-term than others?

Sunray · Jul 13th, 2006, 07:36

I was always pondering the avoidance thing, but never did go down that route. Got bitten so few times. Always took the chloroquin pauladrin combo.

However hard I tried, i could never really avoid bites altogether, though i only got bitten about 5 times in a month in March, North India.

Mozzie net with 5m of nylon rope to hang it, is an absolute must though. Number 1 most useful thing I took, was the economy one from here

http://www.safariquip.co.uk/acatalog..._Nets_1.htm l

(though any like it would do), the chemical treating was a total waste of time. Many mornings they were sitting on it looking at me longingly..

DEET is carcenogenic and burns my skin at 55% though mozzies really don't bite you when you wear it, its not really something I want to be applying too often.

yogivivek · Jul 13th, 2006, 12:09

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Originally Posted by Sunray

DEET is carcenogenic and burns my skin at 55% though mozzies really don't bite you when you wear it, its not really something I want to be applying too often.

there are many natural things like essential oils and such who will work great against mosquitos!!
just do a google and you will get a big list

katieb1981 · Jul 13th, 2006, 12:29

for some reason my malaria medicine made me sick, i never took it, and never got malaria, maybe i was lucky

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2006, 13:05

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Originally Posted by yogivivek

the main thing is to build your immume system very strong!

And how do you know how strong is strong enough? And how do you know that the millions that die from malaria didn't have strong immune systems. Hey, guys, build up your immune system, it will protect you from run over by a bus

. Sorry to be cynical. But I am.

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i do it and many other people aswell, just 2 months before you go to india take some herbs from an ayurvedic doctor according to your constitution.

But I'm not saying there are no alternative solutions. I have used homeopathic anti-malarials.

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works great!

The only conclusion you can draw from having not caught maleria is that you didn't catch malaria. It is absolutely impossible to say that anything you did do protected you, alopathic, homeopathic, ayurvedic or what. Hey! I drink tea at least three times a day and I don't have malaria so...

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those anti malaria pills are sooooooo unhealthy!!!

And what's in the ayurvedic stuff? Ayurvedic medicine is far older than Western alopathic medicine and deserves to be respected at least as much --- but it is quite wrong to assume that its remedies contain no poisons or harmful substances.

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you can aswell start taking herbs in india, thats the country of its origin.

What, of Malaria?

yogivivek · Jul 13th, 2006, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

And how do you know how strong is strong enough? And how do you know that the millions that die from malaria didn't have strong immune systems. Hey, guys, build up your immune system, it will protect you from run over by a bus

. Sorry to be cynical. But I am.

But I'm not saying there are no alternative solutions. I have used homeopathic anti-malarials.
The only conclusion you can draw from having not caught maleria is that you didn't catch malaria. It is absolutely impossible to say that anything you did do protected you, alopathic, homeopathic, ayurvedic or what. Hey! I drink tea at least three times a day and I don't have malaria so...

And what's in the ayurvedic stuff? Ayurvedic medicine is far older than Western alopathic medicine and deserves to be respected at least as much --- but it is quite wrong to assume that its remedies contain no poisons or harmful substances.

What, of Malaria?

LOL!!!

im talking about getting a desease like malaria is due to weak immume in the body! ita a fact! ask any ayurvedic doctor...

its like building a strong wall around you, it doesnt make u immortal but the body can defend against sickness!

ayruveda works only with natural herbs and stuff and the thing with ayurveda is that its more about preventing desease. or when treating a desease it erases the root cause.

but hey who am i and who are you.........

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2006, 13:28

Getting a disease like malaria is due to being infected.

Just like getting a cold.

Can't argue that the fitter a person is the better they might cope...

Ayurvedic medicine uses arsenic and other heavy metals in some of its preparations. This has been written about both here and in the "West". And the last article I read about it made the point that, unless one understands ayurvedic names, the list of contents will not be any use to finding out what's in there.

I know that when I take an alopathic drug I may well be taking something poisonous, or having unwanted side effects. Lets face it, an antibiotic kills bacteria; it is a poison.

I just feel that people should understand that other systems of medicine use poisons too. It is not black and white; good and bad.

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2006, 13:31

...except homeopathy, of course, which contains nothing!

And still, somehow (at least in my experience) works!!

yogivivek · Jul 13th, 2006, 13:55

nick-h no hard feelings!

in some of the ayurvedic medicines are metals like gold, silver or many other ones. they are in there for there healing properties!
sometimes they take small amounts of gold and grind it to very small particles and take it orally! but if u take to much of one substance u can die. it really depends where u get it but when u get it from a good ayurvedic doctor u can bet it will work for you!

ive got a documentary of ayurvedic doctors in india where they talk a lot about the metals and things in ayurvedic medicines!
i can send u a copy on cd if u give me a pm, if ur intersested...?

cheers

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2006, 14:35

...and sometimes they include lead, arsenic, mercury etc etc.

Some years ago an ayurvedic practioner in London was jailed for poisoning his patients --- yes, he actually killed people.

One Indian family I know had someone made seriously ill by an ayurvedic practitioner here in India. I actually suggested that they try it for a lady with very serious arthritis: they said no way!

Well, alopathic doctors and medicines kill people too; perhaps even more often

I really haven't got anything against ayurvedic medicine. So far I haven't experienced it further than massage, but I might well do so one day.

I doubt that swallowing gold can do one too much harm: it is pretty much inert.

Silver is a great natural antibiotic, and was used as such before the current generation of antibiotics. Trouble with taking it regularly (at least in coloidal form) is that it turns your body into a photographic plate and you turn purply-black ---and go blind from the deposits in the eyes. Coloidal silver is currently available in UK "Health" shops!

There may or may not be reasons for qualified practitioners to give small doses of mercury, arsenic, lead etc --- but given that so many of us have been refusing mercury tooth fillings for years...

Yes, I'm interested in Ayurveda, but I'm in India,and unless you are too the postage will be long and expensive for the CD, but I appreciate the offer

The Antimalarials: yes, no or what? topic is one that, if the past is anything to go by, will always be present on IM.

Perhapse we should start a separate thread for discussion of native Indian medical systems. Again it is probably a never ending conversation.

We can only try to inform ourselves as much as possible and then, ultimately, for each one of us, it comes down to paying your money and making your choice.

yogivivek · Jul 13th, 2006, 15:05

we are back in india next week!
we will be in kerala, this time we will stay in india for 5 years or longer so where are you?

vivek

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2006, 16:07

Chennai. See "location"

Whereabouts in Kerala are you based?

yogivivek · Jul 13th, 2006, 16:12

we will go to our apartment in amritapuri (ammas ashram) its about one hour from kollam or 2 hours from varkala.

so ur not traveling in india anymore?
or only on special occasions?

Nick-H · Jul 13th, 2006, 16:35

Oh dear,

!

I used to have a sig which read "I'm not a traveller; just I found a new home 5,000 miles away from the old one".

I have seen a little of Kerala, which I love very much, but I have never really travelled in India much.

Jul 13th, 2006, 04:59	#31
yogivivek yogi member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: the higher planes Posts: 260	just take herbs, god provides them... the main thing is to build your immume system very strong! i do it and many other people aswell, just 2 months before you go to india take some herbs from an ayurvedic doctor according to your constitution. works great! those anti malaria pills are sooooooo unhealthy!!! you can aswell start taking herbs in india, thats the country of its origin. anywayz...... adios __________________ "om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu" "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world."

Jul 13th, 2006, 05:04	#32
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 4,515	The begging question is after what period of time do these anti malarial prophylactics start to become more of a risk to your blood system/liver than malaria itself. Are all anti-malarial prophylactics handled in the same manner by the liver or are some more toxic long-term than others? __________________ What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lives within us. ~ Oliver Wendell Holmes Don't go to India ~ Pre-trip Warnings & Misconceptions?

Jul 13th, 2006, 13:55	#40
yogivivek yogi member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: the higher planes Posts: 260	nick-h no hard feelings! in some of the ayurvedic medicines are metals like gold, silver or many other ones. they are in there for there healing properties! sometimes they take small amounts of gold and grind it to very small particles and take it orally! but if u take to much of one substance u can die. it really depends where u get it but when u get it from a good ayurvedic doctor u can bet it will work for you! ive got a documentary of ayurvedic doctors in india where they talk a lot about the metals and things in ayurvedic medicines! i can send u a copy on cd if u give me a pm, if ur intersested...? cheers Last edited by yogivivek : Jul 13th, 2006 at 15:03.

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Jul 13th, 2006, 07:36	#33
Sunray Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North India Posts: 140	I was always pondering the avoidance thing, but never did go down that route. Got bitten so few times. Always took the chloroquin pauladrin combo. However hard I tried, i could never really avoid bites altogether, though i only got bitten about 5 times in a month in March, North India. Mozzie net with 5m of nylon rope to hang it, is an absolute must though. Number 1 most useful thing I took, was the economy one from here http://www.safariquip.co.uk/acatalog..._Nets_1.htm l (though any like it would do), the chemical treating was a total waste of time. Many mornings they were sitting on it looking at me longingly.. DEET is carcenogenic and burns my skin at 55% though mozzies really don't bite you when you wear it, its not really something I want to be applying too often.

Jul 13th, 2006, 12:29	#35
katieb1981 Student/Photograher Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 35	for some reason my malaria medicine made me sick, i never took it, and never got malaria, maybe i was lucky

Jul 13th, 2006, 13:28	#38
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,426	Getting a disease like malaria is due to being infected. Just like getting a cold. Can't argue that the fitter a person is the better they might cope... Ayurvedic medicine uses arsenic and other heavy metals in some of its preparations. This has been written about both here and in the "West". And the last article I read about it made the point that, unless one understands ayurvedic names, the list of contents will not be any use to finding out what's in there. I know that when I take an alopathic drug I may well be taking something poisonous, or having unwanted side effects. Lets face it, an antibiotic kills bacteria; it is a poison. I just feel that people should understand that other systems of medicine use poisons too. It is not black and white; good and bad.

Jul 13th, 2006, 13:31	#39
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,426	...except homeopathy, of course, which contains nothing! And still, somehow (at least in my experience) works!!

Jul 13th, 2006, 14:35	#41
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,426	...and sometimes they include lead, arsenic, mercury etc etc. Some years ago an ayurvedic practioner in London was jailed for poisoning his patients --- yes, he actually killed people. One Indian family I know had someone made seriously ill by an ayurvedic practitioner here in India. I actually suggested that they try it for a lady with very serious arthritis: they said no way! Well, alopathic doctors and medicines kill people too; perhaps even more often I really haven't got anything against ayurvedic medicine. So far I haven't experienced it further than massage, but I might well do so one day. I doubt that swallowing gold can do one too much harm: it is pretty much inert. Silver is a great natural antibiotic, and was used as such before the current generation of antibiotics. Trouble with taking it regularly (at least in coloidal form) is that it turns your body into a photographic plate and you turn purply-black ---and go blind from the deposits in the eyes. Coloidal silver is currently available in UK "Health" shops! There may or may not be reasons for qualified practitioners to give small doses of mercury, arsenic, lead etc --- but given that so many of us have been refusing mercury tooth fillings for years... Yes, I'm interested in Ayurveda, but I'm in India,and unless you are too the postage will be long and expensive for the CD, but I appreciate the offer The Antimalarials: yes, no or what? topic is one that, if the past is anything to go by, will always be present on IM. Perhapse we should start a separate thread for discussion of native Indian medical systems. Again it is probably a never ending conversation. We can only try to inform ourselves as much as possible and then, ultimately, for each one of us, it comes down to paying your money and making your choice.

Jul 13th, 2006, 15:05	#42
yogivivek yogi member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: the higher planes Posts: 260	we are back in india next week! we will be in kerala, this time we will stay in india for 5 years or longer so where are you? vivek

Jul 13th, 2006, 16:07	#43
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,426	Chennai. See "location" Whereabouts in Kerala are you based?

Jul 13th, 2006, 16:12	#44
yogivivek yogi member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: the higher planes Posts: 260	we will go to our apartment in amritapuri (ammas ashram) its about one hour from kollam or 2 hours from varkala. so ur not traveling in india anymore? or only on special occasions?

Jul 13th, 2006, 16:35	#45
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,426	Oh dear, ! I used to have a sig which read "I'm not a traveller; just I found a new home 5,000 miles away from the old one". I have seen a little of Kerala, which I love very much, but I have never really travelled in India much.

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