homeopathic medicines are no better than pure water

greenchutney

OOOOOHH...science is so concrete....yeah dr barai ?

American astronomers claim that black holes may not exist
Ian Sample, science correspondent
Saturday July 29, 2006
The Guardian

from the article...

if the finding is verified - an event some scientists do not see on the horizon - it would dramatically overturn a theory that emerged from an English geologist's calculations in 1784, was verified by Einstein and confined by four laws drawn up by Professor Stephen Hawking.

The scientists, lead by Rudy Schild at the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, spotted what they claim to be the death knell for black hole theory while observing a quasar, lurking nine billion light years from Earth.


and from a older article..

Hawking changes his mind on black holes
Updated: 1:47 p.m. PT July 16, 2004


thanks biswassb for the site/link

Nick-H

Excellent site. Thanks Biswassb!

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Dr.Barai

Sorry not good at astrophysics . A biology student anyway !!!!!!!

greenchutney

you dont need to be. scientists are always finding stuff to debunk what was proven before. my point out of the example was science is not concrete. and there is plenty that science hasnt explained. stephen hawking is a god in some areas of physics, he debunked himself..went back on whatever he said, of what was verified.

all you have to do is search for antibiotics in google news. and see all the headlines, yeah tell me that it is all blue sky disneyland... why all of them talk about overuse, resistance, warnings what not!..

i walked out of this thread sometime back..but i come back to it just to see if you see the logic here of what we are saying. you are in a position of influence, in a institute with influential students or funds....and also in a city like lucknow filled with poor people who can do allright with alternative medicines that are cheaper or could be useful in certain scenarios such as post operative care..... .and thats the reason for me sticking around but it looks like its apparantly wasted.

got better things to do and bigger fish to fry~ ..

good luck to ya..later dude..

ladyvetphd

I think Dr. barai is full of horse shit; if he claims he knows so much about the way clinical studies are conducted and he ratifies James Randi or whoever's findings which is widely being debated in the medical community itself. And also very insulting saying that most Indians in the scientific community take it up for "shake of a carrier"; (should read sake of a career) If his thinkning is as flawed as his spellings what can you say??
Plus he himself ought to know that there are plenty of studies with allopathic medicines that give contradictory results with the same medicine and to take results of one study (assuming it was valid) and then hold the flag up for allopathy seems to be pretty naive to me. A scientist without an open mind?? What kind of scientist is that??

sabby80

I'm of the view that homeopathy has no scientific basis, but then thats besides the point - If it works for some people then thats what is more important. The danger arises when people put blind faith in something - many people hav blindly chosen alternative medicine over modern medicine with fatal consequences. Scientists are only now begining to understand the power of placebo effect. The nacebo effect is just the opposite - people dont get cured even when they are given perfectly potent modern medicines because they assume subconciously that the medicine wont cure them. The MIND is very powerful Dr.Barai so please dont dismiss placebo effect as mere superstition!

I do agree many perfectly sane people throw logic out of the window when it comes to real life - just the other day I met a highly successful vaastu consultant who roams around with an expensive digital compass in hand. He tried giving me a lot of fundas - kitchen should be in this direction - bed in that etc etc. But when I simply asked him if he'd ever bothered to find if theres any logic behind what he was reeling out, he got extremely annoyed! But then again some people claim vaastu helps them - must be our old friend placebo in action!

Nick-H

balanced view!

Homeopathy is frequently practiced by people with conventional medical degrees. It is also practiced by people from other beliefs and disciplines. A friend of mine is a qualified homeopath (and that takes some years of study...) She is also deeply involved in Native American lore, and homeopathy is just one of her healing tools. But if you want straight homeopathy from her, she'll give: perhaps some others aren't so straightforward.

I was shocked yesterday to see a colour advertisment in the newspaper for a chain of homeopathic clinics here promissing successful treatment for hair loss. I regard this as a very suspect claim.

But when it comes to criticism of individual practitioners, there is no reason to exclude allopathic medicine. We just have to make a judgement on our "service suppliers", and this, in areas in which we are not ourselves qualified, is a very hard thing to do.

Generally we can only go by the results. Hopefuly we're still alive to assess them!

sabby80

Comments withdrawn!!

take back my words coz I hadnt bothered to delve into the thread!

ladyvetphd

Hi there, I have not seen the particular episode that u are talking about. But I have read the entire study being reported in Lancet the medical journal regarding the no effect of homeopathy. You have only to realize that the method of diagnosis and treatment is different for every system of medicine so how can comparisons be runin the first place? I am trying to point out the non validity of the study. And I personally found it insulting for Dr. barai to say that scientists in India don't care about the science but take it up for the sake of a career. And the BTW I have no axe to grind whether it's homoepathy or allopathy or any pathy for that matter. The fact remains that whether one likes it or not, allopathy is widely popular and yet people know so little about the harm that these drugs can cause, on the other hand every incident that ayurvedic drugs or homeopathic drugs cause is highlighted and hyped so much that one wonders why!
Bottomline it was the tone of the original poster that everything other than allopathy is horsehit which has led to such strong responses. And BTW may I wonder why you are so upset?

Nick-H

Not such a balanced view

Have you followed this thread? Have you read the incredibly blinkered viewpoints and the poor arguments offerred by DrB in support of his discrimantion?

sabby80

I dont completely agree with Dr.Barai nor do I accept the other end of the extreme views opposing him! However I've always held James Randi in very high regard.

Dr.Barai

I would like to thank you (Ladyvet) for being frank enough to admit that u know nothing about the horizon study. Moreover harsh personal attack is something, which is unwarranted, and raises serious question about your decency. I do not make absolute comments and I do not claim that all Indian health care professionals are religious and superstitious however I again stress that majority are. Whether u like my opinion or not is your problem. I really do not know in what capacity u practice science it at all but would like to know the flaws on the study as u have mentioned. Hope u will come out with the flaws.
Moreover I would advise you to refrain from personal attack. Administrator should ensure that messages with abusive language are not posted. Those people who do not have decency should refrain from posting messages.

Sama

time to shut this down. thread closed.

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