Fasting - Cleansing - Colonics

monkgonemad

i met a medical doctor at dinner last night who is in really good shape at 78 and has all but convinced me i should try fasting/colonic (+ give up meat) and since ive never had a colonic - i should try it.

he had stated the headaches can be from acumulation of toxins in the colon and that this is also an indian contention and that flax seed and milk and ginger paste ???

gotta admit - im no fan of big pharma to be sure - but how th eheck is flax seed and ginger going to make my massive headaches go away 8-}

ive been a bit squeeeeeemish about this sort of thing. im very happy that most anything comes OUT of my bum, but have some reservations of most objects going the other way.

im very healthy but ...having had a western diet, sugar, former cigarette, smoker, liquor ... - im sure i do have a bunch of toxins stored in my body somewhere.

does anyone know anything about fasting - cleansing - colonics?

where can i have this done in delhi, kerala or manali? id prefer a real and proper medical/aryuvedaic clinic of course - not "kali's hose in your bum shop - we do piercing too" shoppe.

finally - does anyone know much about homeopathy (sp) in general and where one might study something lke this? isnt the south more famous fo rthis?

thanks for anything that can point me to the right people - getting old sucks, but better than the alternative eh?

navinkurian2002

Being in good shape has a lot of factors involved diet,lifestyle ,exercise and genetics!! Good examples are Arnold S and BKS Iyengar (yoga guru)

Ive been a fitness instructor for more than 5 years and my parents are Allopaths(western medicine) practicing for years.

Now
1) what kind of medical doctor was this guy? In india we have a lot of people calling themselves doctors .There are so many types of doctors (Allopaths,homeopaths, ayurveds,unanni, nature cure)

Medically speaking there are so many causes of headaches
Scientists have yet to completely unravel the cause or causes of headaches.

But usually toxins are spoken about by ayurveds .

In kerala the best place to get real reliable info is from the medical colleges who teach ayurveda

SCHEME FOR CLASSIFICATION OF AYURVEDA CENTRES

http://www.keralatourism.org/index.j...ce=ayur&id=129

I personally would
occasional fasting --yes
occasional cleansing - mixtures of vegetable juice and fruit juice --yes
colonics -- no unless I'm really constipated lol

monkgonemad

hi thanks -

no, im in thailand (leaving for india in three days). he was brittish m.d. and recommended colonic only as as one time sort of deal (annually perhaps) to rid body of toxins. he was also big on fasting just fyi. not a nutter and sound advcie so as why i put question to board.

my diet is good and never plugged up - ususally other way round?

yes, many, many causes for headaches. he was just tossing out a few. i think its allergy/sun and rhino vasor something or other.

worried becasue i take too much claratin and retricts blood vessels and may be raising my blood pressure +10pts. in in low-low danger level.

ok thanks for links.

jhon

As a fellow head ache sufferer i'll try most things once however i still haven't had a colonic. Friends of mine ,also sufferers have been completing a course of them in Pune and claim great results in alleviating their headaches.I would have to be very relaxed to have one in India the hose walla image scares me to death! I have though tried a series of Liver Flushes , much less invasive, but even they still take a while to get your head around. The first time i did one i was headache free for a whole month!! You can find out more on the net, try www.curezone.com. By all means give away the meat,your body will thank you, not to mention those whom you would have consumed.If you're in Thailand another thing worth checking out is a good dentist, eliminating this as a cause of headaches is imperative, mine have improved out of sight after some work in the chair.

phobal

an MD told you to cleanse.....

balanced diet, excercise, and intelligent health decisions (ie: not smoking pot) is what sets you up to a healthy life. not starving yourself and living off hyped up protein drinks and greens.

btw, ever looked and seen what's in greens or those cleanse drinks? it's scraps! alfalfa leaf, tree bark, beeswax. read the ingredients! you think that's going to improve your health than eating fish, dairy, and 5-10 servings of veggies? save the money, go to the forest, and eat everything that you see of the ground if you don't believe your own government's food guide!

and one more thing, what's with this "CLEANSE" thing? everyone (of course, whom has NO education in science or nutrition) lectures me as to how starving yourself will FLUSH all the TOXINS from your body. WTF. toxins? flushing? are people dropping dead from these toxins? noooo. they're dropping dead from malnutrition and diseases like cancer because they go on stupid cleanses that make them thin but weaken their immunity from fighting disease. man has consumed crap all their life and they've gotten by. keep it simple. put your money into a gym membership and a couple of steaks. get a good night's sleep, and when you eat three normal meals a day, you'll be amazed as to how much better you will feel.

mira4bai4

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Why go to a retreat for a colonic? I found that eating at many restaurants in India had the same effect.

Nick-H

Yeah, Phobal; well said

It's the nutritional equivalent of being a DIRTY SINNER. We need to SUFFER FOR OUR SINS ...so lets have soapy water pumped up our colons; and lets start comparing notes on what comes out as a result .

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camelgirl

Thanks, I needed that posting!

BTW, my father-in-law is 93 and was a meat and potatoes man his whole life. My aunt is 92 and lives on meat and potatoes and lots of candy and cake! They aren't in the best shape right now, but only for the past few months, so who cares! They'd laugh their asses off at the ideas suggested for good health that people come up with.

Me, I'd pass on the colonic, nature is doing what it's supposed it so why mess with your sphincter & guts!

phobal

My friends say that I'm against coolness, especially how I live by the boring ol' Canada food guide instead of cleanses and atkins. I agree. I'm against coolness .

mira4bai4

Well I would have to say this is the biggest load of crap that I have heard in a long time.

What do you think toxins are, what do you think toxins do, obviously absolutely nothing, well think again as the TOXINS are the makings of the cancers that are killing so many more than you could even imagine, that is millions of people are dropping dead from them. Damn it, the TOXINS are the pollutants and no amount of gym exercise, good night sleep or starving will get rid of them. Right mindness may alleviate stress and do all sorts of things that can change much about us, exercise is great and essential for all sorts of things but TOXINS are something specific that takes more as most of what we do creates toxins. Think about it, on a great healthy diet, eating the right food we create toxins, this is the waste by product in everything we do. So this has to be eliminated to keep healthy and most of us do not eat healthy, some do, most of us don't live healthy, some do, most of us don't live in a healthy environment, some do; so most of us live in situations and have lifestyles that increase the load of TOXINS on top of the natural normally easily eliminated toxins, which means the body is in overload ~ can't cope. We get sick, we die from many diseases such as cancer to name but one in its many forms.

If you eat meat it takes normally 72 hours for it to pass from the body as it is extremely hard to digest, vegetables pass through within 12 hours and are easily digested. Fish is so full of heavy metal TOXINS that the meat may pass through quickly but the mercury etc stays in the body, in our fat and muscles. While some people have constitutions of caste iron many don't and if anyone has a weakened wall of the stomach or digestive system these areas become infected by the TOXINS that are generally the undigested food and the waste products that have built up because the body is having difficulty eliminating the sludge and lumps sitting around for round 72 hours and longer. This is putrefying, rotting as we speak and slowly being absorbed in to the body through the liver and kidneys, but when the liver can't cope because the toxins are so strong it can't filter any more and we get liver failure, when the kidneys can't filter any more we get kidney failure, when the toxins are in our blood stream we get ....... When the toxins get into our muscles we get ............ when the toxins get into our brain we get ............ So the toxins get into every part of us through our blood circulation, into our bones and every cell in the body is affected by these toxins. If the filtration systems stop working due to overload we slowly begin to rot from the inside out.

This sounds pretty gross but unless one has seen it, smelt a person rotting while still alive and generally watching someone dying from system failure, cancer, known so many people that have had breasts removed, testicles removed, faces cut off, organs cut out and bone marrow turning to crap I dare say this will be shrugged off as to much to think about. That is fine, but wallowing in ignorance while your body is struggling, doing its very best to survive as that is what it is designed to do in sheer stupidity on the highest level. Then again it is not such a different position to those that produce the TOXINS that are slowly and at other times quickly killing us, so taking that attitude is condoning the poisoning of the planet and mankind.

God help you, your body has tried but when the brain is switched off what can the body do, push up hill.

Nick-H

Whoa, Mira I admit that there is a lot in what you say. The truth is different for each person, and is going to be somewhere on a line between what Phobal and I were saying and what you are saying.

I do think it has become a subject that people like to beat themselves with. In a way it is the flagolents (is that the word?) of the present day who are convinced that their body is full of poison, just like it used to be 'sin'. Of course this creates a huge market for the cures and supplements. Nothing personal: I accept that you, and many others in this trade, are utterly sincere and knowledgable... It's not as if I've never taken a vitamin tablet: I could well well be asking your advice in another post.

I have always thought that getting rid of toxins/waste products is a normal process for our bodies anyway ---but, equally I accept that there is a lot more crap around than there was. Curiously, isn't life-expectancy still increasing?

iwanttogoback

no. in some recent and quite scary research (by CSIRO, i think), researchers concluded that if the children of today did not exercise more and eat better they would not live as long as their parents.

so i locked my children out of the house...

Nick-H

Interesting and worrying.

I think things have got much worse, in terms of diet for kids, this generation. But every generation always finds something to say that about.

mira4bai4

Nick, while I have an interest and hopefully a future business interest yet to be realised, I have a greater interest in peoples welfare, a bleeding heart that if one life is made better with some good information, then that is good.

I personally have no experience of colonics, never having had one and I know of a few people that had shall we say begun to enjoy the experience of multiple cleanses. My point really is not about colonics but if one is in need then do it, more to the point is that we absorb more toxins than we can get rid of and burying our heads in the sand is just not an option, kind of like smoking and ignoring the health warnings, then saying gee I didn't know and its all your fault.

To everyone
Just please pay attention to what is important, health is important, don't get extreme, just do the very best that you can to keep healthy. Anything less than that is an insult to your integrity, it does take a good attitude to be healthy but there is nothing to lose in doing so, so much to gain. Of course we have to die from something, preferably not some grotty disease that was avoidable, maybe it was karma but the bottom line is that we are always meant to do the very best that we can, after that the results are not in our hands.