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Old May 30th, 2008, 22:49   #46
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Personally, I'm fond of asking the touts 'How's business today?". It let's them know that you're aware of the racket, and politely indicates that you're not likely to buy anything.

It's important to remember that as annoying as they may be, that they're just trying to make a living.
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Old May 30th, 2008, 23:05   #47
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I guess you don't know what "tongue in cheek" means....
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Old May 30th, 2008, 23:11   #48
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I tried sticking my tongue in my cheek, but couldn't figure out what it possibly means.
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Old Jun 9th, 2008, 04:54   #49
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hello all,
i've been lurking a while and enjoying india mike enormously whilst planning my long-awaited return to india in july... what a great forum this is!
anyway thought i'd throw in my experiences...

i have met some great indian men who went out of their way to help me when i found myself in sticky situations during my 15 months in india in the early 90s. they were kind, chivalrous and totally respectful.

however i have also come across some complete pigs... my male friend and i were staying with an indian family in their very basic house in the jungle on vypin island and we had to sleep in the same room as the husband's single friend, who apparently thought it was acceptable to grope my left boob whilst i was sleeping. . when i told him to 'get his effing hands off me' he was bewildered. he considered that since i wasn't sleeping with my friend, i was fair game for him and he thought i was 'frigid' if i was 'not sleeping with someone'.

another time, i was walking down pahar ganj with my boyfriend and three indian guys passed, one of them grabbing my bum. i took hold of his collar, lifted him onto his toes and yelled 'how dare you touch me?' into his face. ...worked a treat! he turned to my boyfriend, terrified, and started apologising. this offended me even more so i informed him that he should be apologising to me! . ...which he proceeded to do. poor guy was completely humiliated in front of his friends and i doubt he ever tried that again.

i have to add that in all my time in india, i never actually felt in danger (except perhaps of disappearing down a 200 foot precipice in a bus!) - and certainly felt a lot more comfortable that i did while in turkey and morocco.
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Old Jun 9th, 2008, 05:18   #50
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Hi Caz a
Welcome to Indiamike!

I like the sound of that trick with the collar. Trouble is, I'm usually too slow on the uptake, and the guy's long gone before I figure out what I could have done.

(Oh, I may be 50, but as I guess we all know, dogs don't discriminate on the grounds of age, looks, clothes, religion, skin colour, nationality, community affiliation, economic or occupational status, close blood relationship, etc etc etc)
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Old Jun 9th, 2008, 05:27   #51
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another time, i was walking down pahar ganj with my boyfriend and three indian guys passed, one of them grabbing my bum. i took hold of his collar, lifted him onto his toes and yelled 'how dare you touch me?' into his face. ...worked a treat! he turned to my boyfriend, terrified, and started apologising. this offended me even more so i informed him that he should be apologising to me! . ...which he proceeded to do. poor guy was completely humiliated in front of his friends and i doubt he ever tried that again.
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Old Jun 9th, 2008, 17:43   #52
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he considered that since i wasn't sleeping with my friend, i was fair game for him and he thought i was 'frigid' if i was 'not sleeping with someone'.
caz: you actually had a 'dialogue' on why your mammary gland was unavaiable for a clasp? and the 'he' actually told you why it should be available??



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Old Jun 9th, 2008, 18:18   #53
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Oh those mamary gland duo ---I mean dialogues!
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Old Jun 10th, 2008, 03:44   #54
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thanks for the welcome!

this also reminds me of the time i was travelling alone from madras to bangalore on the night train. i was booked into the ladies carriage but found myself in the compartment with 5 men! for those who don't know, these are enclosed compartments with a door... not ideal and i wasn't exactly happy! ...which i informed the guard when he came round. he was very sympathetic to my predicamant and though he did his best to find me somewhere else to sleep, there was no space.

being a very light sleeper and unable to sleep on buses and trains, i had got into the habit of some medicinal assistance to zonk me out while travelling .. so then i had a dilemma: do i do the valium or not?!!
'To hell with it', i thought, 'i'm on the top bunk' and took the pill (i was a bit reckless in those days and would not recommend this!!). ....next thing i knew, the train was in a station.. i looked around and found myself alone.... looked up the carriage and found the train deserted. at which point i realised we were in bangalore! to this day, i have no idea how long it had been since we had arrived, but the men in the carriage were obviously so respectful of my personal space that no-one woke me up!
all i could think was: at least the train terminated there and was not on its way to trivandrum!
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Old Jun 10th, 2008, 08:24   #55
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Hi all
Thought i'd add my experience with this. I've been to India twice. The firest time was with my then partner & i wasn't bothered at all (apart from staring of course). We told anyone that asked that we were married.

The second time was on my own & I had quite a different experience. Nothing too serious but enough to make me quite angry sometimes.
The most common was a man cutting me off when getting on a train & cupping his hand behind him to grab my crotch. I responded to this by yelling at punching them in the back & they always slinked off embarrased.
The worst was on an overnight train from McLeod to Dehra Dun when i woke up with the guy next to me's hand under my blanker & up my top. I was a bit stunned so said to him if you do that again I'll punch you in the face. Sure enough, woke up again a bit later (it was the last of a few long bus trips in a row & i just couldn't stay awake)& he had a hand up my top & the other trying to pull open my pants. I told him i'd warned him & elbowed him as hard as i could in the face. He held his face & got off at the next stop (in the middle of the night in the middle of no where. I wasn't game to look around but am sure the whole bus was watching.

i think the only way to deal with this is to shame them by yelling so others can hear or slapping/punching. Exactly what i'd do (if it every happened) at home.
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that's obviously why one should not dose oneself up on valium!!
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Old Jun 11th, 2008, 00:07   #57
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brishti, sorry not to answer you before... no, i did not 'have a dialogue' - but i did do a lot of yelling!

...it was only via my friend that i found out that's what he thought. problem was, we were kind of stuck with these guys as we were half-way through buying a motor bike and they were helping us with the paperwork (a near-endless nightmare of bureaucracy and backsheeshes).

it did have a happy ending, though, as we rode off into the keralan sunset!
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Hello all.

Hope the question doesn't seem overly disrespectful, if so its out of ignorance.

Im arab and Im travelling with my white girlfriend in india soon. If this happened in my own country, I would smack the guy and if anyone around got a whiff of what was going on, they would soon join me. Is this similair and would I be 'ok' to do this? Its just that I am very protective and if this did happen I think I might beat the shit out of someone.

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Hello all.

Hope the question doesn't seem overly disrespectful, if so its out of ignorance.

Im arab and Im travelling with my white girlfriend in india soon. If this happened in my own country, I would smack the guy and if anyone around got a whiff of what was going on, they would soon join me. Is this similair and would I be 'ok' to do this? Its just that I am very protective and if this did happen I think I might beat the shit out of someone.

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It will be perfectly fine to do that it India, just make sure you are not caught in a deserted place. The public will join you in whacking the guy up.
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I would smack the guy and if anyone around got a whiff of what was going on, they would soon join me. ...
It's even better if your girlfriend whacks the guy; very bad for his karma and his face.

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