Dengue... What is the truth?

#31 Nov 14th, 2017, 14:32
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The NHS did not get any extra Brexit funding, it was a lie of course, like all the others put out by those "businessmen-carpetbaggers" that want a weakened Europe...

I will look into future travel insurance options... I think I was relying too much on conking out in Varanasi, for their funeral expertise!

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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post Sundstrom supplies industrial masks. Respro, Cambridge, Vogmask etc. are the main players in the personal/consumer space.

That may well be the case , but Delhi's air problem is beyond an " Industrial " problem, that " Yamde " item Nycank recommends is still pretty much a single use item, and at 800 to 1500r's a pop, it would get very expensive on a day to day basis -- the Amazon advert states -- Performs tremendously more effectively than the nearest competitor which uses replaceable filter -- this is of course pure bullshit -- it is still a disposable item after 6 or 8 hours of use, although you will look good ----
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In Tokyo we get big pack 1200¥ which is about 16 rupees per single use face cover.
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Originally Posted by redninja View Post but Delhi's air problem is beyond an " Industrial " problem, that " Yamde " item Nycank recommends is still pretty much a single use item
I have never used a mask in DEL or GGN. But Yamde I have used in Zaatari (Refugee camp in Jordan), Amazon jungle near Manaus, Alameda Co: CA, and Puerto Rico. You have to evaluate what you are trying to filter. A 50 pack Yamde single use masks sell for about $8. Which is approx 11 Rupees per mask. I'm sure one can get a chinese equivalent in ChandniChowk for about 15 rupees max.
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redninja, insurance is indeed gambling. The company works out the odds that something will happen and then bets that it won't. Absolutely the essence of the whole underwriting game!

However, it certainly can be to the benefit of the customer. I worked in an insurance company IT dept, and used to peruse the mags and industry circulars, and was struck by an article saying, essentially, that the people most likely to benefit from insurance are the the people least likely to have it. House burns down... rich person has buildings and contents cover, gets a whole lot of new stuff; poor person gets a pile of ashes.

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Originally Posted by nycank View Post I have never used a mask in DEL or GGN. But Yamde I have used in Zaatari (Refugee camp in Jordan), Amazon jungle near Manaus, Alameda Co: CA, and Puerto Rico. You have to evaluate what you are trying to filter. A 50 pack Yamde single use masks sell for about $8. Which is approx 11 Rupees per mask. I'm sure one can get a chinese equivalent in ChandniChowk for about 15 rupees max.


Exactly -- the key line here is " You have to evaluate what you are trying to filter " -- my quick google on the Yamde found 5 different models, and the 800r reduced from 1499r's model was the only one with a 2.5 rating -- reports state Delhi has hit 800 parts per million or whatever it is, with Aust news saying it went over 1000, so any of the disposable models will be useless.
i've used Sunstrom for 20 or so years, their filter cartridges combined with their pre filter liners, and their unique moulded rubber face masks, mean you get superior filtering, way above anything you guys are talking about, also their rubber moulded face mask ( the base unit that the filters are attached to ) will not break their seal if you smile, yawn, or do any facial gymnastics -- the single use disposals -- often with just a flexible alloy ribbon woven into the edge of the mask will break the skin seal very easily.
Also any mask regardless of quality will be pretty much useless if you are not clean shaven -- that advise i guess would " Mostly " apply to Males. -- and that means that top lip has to be shaven as well.
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One of our oldest posters has yet to comment (particle size). Must be off on the Indian rails..
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Look at http://respro.com/pollution-masks . Looking for getting one. Although cycling around here is too intense to be doing with a mask, it might be a good thing for an active use.

The article below is a good start at this...
http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/...-a7952771.html
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Hello redninja,

Thanks for sharing the info on Sunstrom. Definitely the looked like the real deal. The worry is that it'd scare the horses . Looking at their site - doesn't seem like they have anything that doesn't have the space alien look. The other concern is the ability to support somewhat active use. How does it fare when one is walking (in a somewhat hilly environment)?

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Here is another mask (Not cheap) designed by a person who felt most masks did not help the pollution in an Indian city of Ahmedabad that he visited.
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Looking at things from the other perspective...

Do the masks work in both directions, for example would they filter out the wearer's bad breath odours? (Not my sweet breath that concerns me, you understand...)

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Originally Posted by OldandRambling View Post Looking at things from the other perspective...

Do the masks work in both directions, for example would they filter out the wearer's bad breath odours? (Not my sweet breath that concerns me, you understand...)

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Taking your question seriously, the answer is no. The plastic things you see in the middle of many masks are one-way valves to reduce breathing effort. You have to inhale with more effort than normal to get air through the filter, but you don't have to use as much effort to exhale because the flap in the valve opens to let air out.

This also allows the filter to last longer because it does not have to purify in both directions.
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That valve is essential for doing heavy activity..
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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post Hello redninja,

Thanks for sharing the info on Sunstrom. Definitely the looked like the real deal. The worry is that it'd scare the horses . Looking at their site - doesn't seem like they have anything that doesn't have the space alien look. The other concern is the ability to support somewhat active use. How does it fare when one is walking (in a somewhat hilly environment)?

Thanks!


Ha Ha -- your reply pretty much sums up my concerns, in that people generally don't seem to have a grasp of the seriousness of the problem -- So you go the the doc in Delhi and to cure your ailment, the doctor recommends you leave town as the only cure. -- for all exercise authorities recommend staying inside your living room with the aircon running flat out.

Complaining about the aesthetics of the equipment i am suggesting only reinforces what i am trying to get across to you.

I mean the authorities couldn't even agree on the reintroduction of the odd even number plates --- meanwhile Rome burns. -- the lack of the concept of urgency is beyond laughable.


Last wednesday central New Delhi's count of harmful PM2.5 particles exceeded 1000 on the US EPA's air quality index.

The highest rating -- hazardous to human health -- do not go outside --
is reserved for readings between 300 and 500, so Delhi is running off the scale -- How long has this been occurring ? -- How long will it continue occurring ??
Dr Kumar chairman of lung surgery at Delhi's Ganga Ram hospital said -- " Their lungs are turning black " -- we are going to have an epidemic of lung cancer.

The concentration of poisonous particles is so intense, that ingesting it , even through a mask , blurs the line between taste and smell. Eyes water Throats rasp.

Yet people post here about how cheap they can buy their disposable mask's.
You need to embrace Industrial level equipment , and hope it will still function at a safe level -- or ditch the sunstrum kit i am suggesting and go to the next level , whatever that is.
Given a starter Sunstrom kit will set you back around 10,000r's, and then feeding it replacement filters and pre filters add another 5000r's ( per week ) it might be cheaper and safer to leave town.
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Does a normal ex-army type gas mask work for smog, the sort most of us have anyway for our private bedroom activities? Be silly to own 2 masks if one would do...

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