Anti-malarials in India

edwardseco · Jun 12th, 2008, 05:27

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So, although the long fingers of the pharmaceutical companies may have done their extracting and refining and synthesising, mother nature does actually score quite highly down the local pharmac

Here's a twist. The more you use one type the more you encounter resistance so the whole relative comparison starts to change, eg. Chloroquine. An additional complication is that much of what comes out of China is fake. One source suggested 2/3rds in the the case of ehe interesting A..

grikoo · Jun 12th, 2008, 05:36

ed man, you've got to be more clear in what you're saying....

Sometimes your angles are even more obtuse than my own....which is saying alot!

edwardseco · Jun 12th, 2008, 12:40

Ha, ha, ha thats what everybody says. Maybe I got it from Rajneesh. Dynamic vs static, Chloroquine might have been real good at one time. But resistance sets in so Artemisan looks good. But when resistance to that sets in (and I saw just such a report) then Chloroquine may become relatively more effective as Nick once suggested. The last 3 words are: the interesting Artemisan. That remedy actually received a large and enthusiastic writeup in the Wall Street Journal..

Nick-H · Jun 12th, 2008, 12:46

Malaria rife on Wall Street these days?

Resistance may be futile...

---but I don't know how inevitable it is. The hope seems to be that it won't happen with artimesia; only time will tell.

edwardseco · Jun 12th, 2008, 13:44

Malaria is a fascinating organism. Like AIDS it evolves and thus no vaccine as yet. I vote for a Nobel for the person that somehow comes up with somehow..

grikoo · Jun 12th, 2008, 21:57

I do agree with Nick that it's likely to take longer to develop resistence, due to the fast rate of effect.

But I have no doubt it will happen eventually.

cyhiraeth · Jun 21st, 2008, 02:54

Just a quick thank you to all the India Mike folks for sharing their experiences malarial drugs. I just got back from the doctor, and felt a lot more prepared going in with at least a little bit of knowledge. I practically laughed in my doctor's face when he told me he was going to put me on Larium. (my family has a history of mental illness, so yeahhhh, very bad idea.) So it's Maloran for me (pending blood test results) or else doxy (the side effect for that one scare me less, heh.)

Speaking of drugs, Maloran's pretty darn expensive; $550 for my whole trip. I've heard of the customs or airport security or whatever taking expensive drugs when they search your bags to sell on the black market. It seems unlikely to me that they'd want malarial drugs, but has anybody ever heard of this or experienced it?

grikoo · Jun 21st, 2008, 03:17

Could certainly happen in India. You might carry them on your person while going through customs.

What was the blood test, if you know?

machadinha · Jun 21st, 2008, 03:29

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Originally Posted by grikoo

Could certainly happen in India.

Could you specify if you know this? Or if you think or assume so? Do we have many (or even any -- I can't remember one) reports here by travelers having their medicines go missing because of evil customs personnel?

If one had them registered on oneself (or not even that), would it not show through a little obviously? As in a customs officer nicking a (unregistered) video camera off you or so?

Keeping your meds and other stuff you consider to be of value (not just in terms of costs, but in terms of immediate usefulness) in your carry-on luggage makes a lot of sense anyway in case your pack goes missing in-flight. One may want to carry the appropriate prescriptions with those meds, where applicable.

grikoo · Jun 21st, 2008, 03:35

I've had to bribe my way through customs, and have heard MANY stories about various objects going missing in transit.

I think it's fairly common knowledge that any valuable object placed in your luggage is a potential target of theft.

Much harder to steal something directly off your person.

cyhiraeth · Jun 21st, 2008, 03:47

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Originally Posted by grikoo

What was the blood test, if you know?

hmmm... it might have been for a G6PD deficiency, which sounds like the right enzyme, but now that I'm checking the CDC website, it says that would have only been needed for Primaquine. So maybe that was all for nothing.

While I know going without medical advice wouldn't be a good idea, sometimes I really feel like doctors are pretty

useless. (no offence meant to anyone here, I'm sure you do your best; I'm just a bit frustrated.)

grikoo · Jun 21st, 2008, 03:51

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Originally Posted by cyhiraeth

hmmm... it might have been for a G6PD deficiency, which sounds like the right enzyme, but now that I'm checking the CDC website, it says that would have only been needed for Primaquine. So maybe that was all for nothing.

While I know going without medical advice wouldn't be a good idea, sometimes I really feel like doctors are pretty

useless. (no offence meant to anyone here, I'm sure you do your best; I'm just a bit frustrated.)

Yes, that's the only blood test I'm aware of that has anything to do with malaria treatment.

cyhiraeth · Jun 21st, 2008, 03:55

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Originally Posted by machadinha

...Do we have many (or even any -- I can't remember one) reports here by travelers having their medicines go missing because of evil customs personnel?

Keeping your meds and other stuff you consider to be of value (not just in terms of costs, but in terms of immediate usefulness) in your carry-on luggage makes a lot of sense anyway in case your pack goes missing in-flight. One may want to carry the appropriate prescriptions with those meds, where applicable.

I'm not really worried, honestly. More trying to allay the concerns of my somewhat paranoid father.

And I figure might as well be prepared for the worst. Speaking of which, I do plan on carrying everything important in my carry-on, with photocopies of all important documents... on only hope I don't run out of room with all these meds!

Nick-H · Jun 21st, 2008, 04:08

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HelenR · Jul 2nd, 2008, 15:11

After consulting a doctor who specializes in travel medicine, we got Malarone as the anti-malarial medicine. All nice and dandy.

But, we will be carrying a 3-month supply per person, as we will be in India for a month and then in south east Asia for 6-7 weeks.

Will this be a problem at any point? Our names and the prescribing doctor's name are on the bottle. However, we don't keep the original prescription in the US. The pharmacy takes them for their recors. Should I request a photocopy, will it ever be necessary?

Jun 12th, 2008, 12:46	#94
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,692	Malaria rife on Wall Street these days? Resistance may be futile... ---but I don't know how inevitable it is. The hope seems to be that it won't happen with artimesia; only time will tell. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

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cyhiraeth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 34	thanks and a question Just a quick thank you to all the India Mike folks for sharing their experiences malarial drugs. I just got back from the doctor, and felt a lot more prepared going in with at least a little bit of knowledge. I practically laughed in my doctor's face when he told me he was going to put me on Larium. (my family has a history of mental illness, so yeahhhh, very bad idea.) So it's Maloran for me (pending blood test results) or else doxy (the side effect for that one scare me less, heh.) Speaking of drugs, Maloran's pretty darn expensive; $550 for my whole trip. I've heard of the customs or airport security or whatever taking expensive drugs when they search your bags to sell on the black market. It seems unlikely to me that they'd want malarial drugs, but has anybody ever heard of this or experienced it?

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Jun 12th, 2008, 05:36	#92
grikoo Disclaimer- He who knows not what he speaks of Join Date: May 2008 Location: Here Posts: 463	ed man, you've got to be more clear in what you're saying.... Sometimes your angles are even more obtuse than my own....which is saying alot!

Jun 12th, 2008, 12:40	#93
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,142	Ha, ha, ha thats what everybody says. Maybe I got it from Rajneesh. Dynamic vs static, Chloroquine might have been real good at one time. But resistance sets in so Artemisan looks good. But when resistance to that sets in (and I saw just such a report) then Chloroquine may become relatively more effective as Nick once suggested. The last 3 words are: the interesting Artemisan. That remedy actually received a large and enthusiastic writeup in the Wall Street Journal..

Jun 12th, 2008, 13:44	#95
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,142	Malaria is a fascinating organism. Like AIDS it evolves and thus no vaccine as yet. I vote for a Nobel for the person that somehow comes up with somehow..

Jun 12th, 2008, 21:57	#96
grikoo Disclaimer- He who knows not what he speaks of Join Date: May 2008 Location: Here Posts: 463	I do agree with Nick that it's likely to take longer to develop resistence, due to the fast rate of effect. But I have no doubt it will happen eventually.

Jun 21st, 2008, 03:17	#98
grikoo Disclaimer- He who knows not what he speaks of Join Date: May 2008 Location: Here Posts: 463	Could certainly happen in India. You might carry them on your person while going through customs. What was the blood test, if you know?

Jun 21st, 2008, 03:35	#100
grikoo Disclaimer- He who knows not what he speaks of Join Date: May 2008 Location: Here Posts: 463	I've had to bribe my way through customs, and have heard MANY stories about various objects going missing in transit. I think it's fairly common knowledge that any valuable object placed in your luggage is a potential target of theft. Much harder to steal something directly off your person.

Jun 21st, 2008, 04:08	#104
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,692	Moderator Note: Certain posts have been edited. and lines removed. The members concerned know very well that personal attacks are not permitted, and sniping will not be tolerated.

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HelenR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 108	After consulting a doctor who specializes in travel medicine, we got Malarone as the anti-malarial medicine. All nice and dandy. But, we will be carrying a 3-month supply per person, as we will be in India for a month and then in south east Asia for 6-7 weeks. Will this be a problem at any point? Our names and the prescribing doctor's name are on the bottle. However, we don't keep the original prescription in the US. The pharmacy takes them for their recors. Should I request a photocopy, will it ever be necessary?

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