Russian Ravers and the Mafia Mix-up in Goa

Nick-H · Jan 22nd, 2007, 22:58

Actually , I meant to say more or less, in the same sentence.....

cyberhippie · Jan 23rd, 2007, 02:25

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The article appears to me to be making unprovable assumptions which have the potential to taint the public's view of the entire Russian community

Does running a fair percentage of drugs into Goa count and organised brothals!! With ex Russian army as bouncers!!

As to reputations, well Russians like any country have their good and bad. It's usually the bad that defines you reputation unfortunately. Ask the French, British and Israeli contingents in Goa!!

Vigile · Jan 23rd, 2007, 02:47

If they've done that, they can be arrested.

And since it is by by reputation that groups are defined, it's not a bad idea to try and defend the groups that are feeling the fallout from the behavior of a few, no?

cyberhippie · Jan 23rd, 2007, 02:48

Be my guest!!

I was simply pointing out how things tend to develop.

cyberhippie · Jan 23rd, 2007, 02:49

Oh by the way, no the baddies aren't being arrested!!

crvlvr · Jan 23rd, 2007, 03:57

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Originally Posted by Vigile

Here's a fact that the rest of the world has yet to figure out: Russians have a lot of money now; a whole lot of it.

From wikipedia:

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Intelligence reports emanating out of Russia peg the numerical size of the Russian Mafia ("mafiya") at 100,000 members owing allegiance to 8,000 stratified crime groups who control 70-80% of all private business and 40% of the nation’s wealth.

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Originally Posted by Vigile

Just because a Russian has money does not mean that he/she is mafia

True. But, apparently a large portion of the wealth and businesses in Russia are controlled mafia. If I had to guess whether it was the legitimate businesses or the mafia who are investing in Goa, my guess would have to be the Mafia.

Why? There does not seem to be enough incentive for legitimate businesses to buy large tracts of lands in Goa/India unless they plan to build a call/BPO center and take advantage of the low labor costs.

mineja · Jan 23rd, 2007, 04:25

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Originally Posted by Vigile

This is no longer the Russia of the 1990s. It is not run by thugs. The same law and order exists here that exists in W Europe.

joke of the day

capt_mahajan · Jan 23rd, 2007, 08:02

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Originally Posted by cyberhippie

As to reputations, well Russians like any country have their good and bad. It's usually the bad that defines you reputation unfortunately. Ask the French, British and Israeli contingents in Goa!!

And the Indian contingent everywhere

goangoangone · Jan 23rd, 2007, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Vigile

If they've done that, they can be arrested.

And since it is by by reputation that groups are defined, it's not a bad idea to try and defend the groups that are feeling the fallout from the behavior of a few, no?

.....and with money you can get free again!

goangoangone · Jan 23rd, 2007, 09:27

When I visited the Home Dept. last March, my Goan friend was told by a top official that they were very worried by the Russian criminal activities in North Goa........and didn't know what to do.

The buying of huge tracts of land (illegally I might add) brought attention generally to the foreign impact on property prices.

sam_12 · Jan 23rd, 2007, 17:59

sanjay you have obviously taken the outlook mag a bit too seriously,I wont be surprised if the article was published with the help of a few local goans who feel threatened that their land is bieng snatched away from them,hence they started the red-herring

capt_mahajan · Jan 23rd, 2007, 18:42

sam12, like I said earlier, that magazine is not a rag.
Is there any reason for assuming that the article is a plant?

SANJAY_DEL · Jan 23rd, 2007, 18:43

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Originally Posted by sam_12

sanjay you have obviously taken the outlook mag a bit too seriously,I wont be surprised if the article was published with the help of a few local goans who feel threatened that their land is bieng snatched away from them,hence they started the red-herring

Hey, I just posted the link to start a discussion on the subject.
Have your say.
Should we not take a subject like this seriously?
Maybe being an ostrich is more comfortable in this harsh world populated with mafia goons and their molls on the beaches!
Chill out man!
There are two sides to every coin!

capt_mahajan · Jan 23rd, 2007, 18:58

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Originally Posted by goangoangone

my Goan friend was told by a top official that they were very worried by the Russian criminal activities in North Goa........and didn't know what to do.

The buying of huge tracts of land (illegally I might add) brought attention generally to the foreign impact on property prices.

Italics mine.

Well, if the law is being broken, there is only one thing to do, isnt it? Why is he helpless?

Nick-H · Jan 23rd, 2007, 19:44

Whatever the quality of the magazine, this really does not seem a very well written article to me.

Nor is it new news anyway, I'm sure it has been touched on in the Goa property threads.

Sanjay, before you take to name-calling (at least you didn't cut&paste that. Wait, maybe I'd better google for it to make sure...) let me remind you for the umpteenth time that IndiaMike is primarily for original comment and personal experience.

So please think twice before you cut-and-paste the next internet snippet that catches your eye in the hope of starting a discussion.

Even better: don't do it at all.

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Vigile Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Petersburg Russia Posts: 44	If they've done that, they can be arrested. And since it is by by reputation that groups are defined, it's not a bad idea to try and defend the groups that are feeling the fallout from the behavior of a few, no?

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goangoangone What happened? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Goa Posts: 1,564	When I visited the Home Dept. last March, my Goan friend was told by a top official that they were very worried by the Russian criminal activities in North Goa........and didn't know what to do. The buying of huge tracts of land (illegally I might add) brought attention generally to the foreign impact on property prices.

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capt_mahajan Dis member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,875	sam12, like I said earlier, that magazine is not a rag. Is there any reason for assuming that the article is a plant?

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Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,426	Whatever the quality of the magazine, this really does not seem a very well written article to me. Nor is it new news anyway, I'm sure it has been touched on in the Goa property threads. Sanjay, before you take to name-calling (at least you didn't cut&paste that. Wait, maybe I'd better google for it to make sure...) let me remind you for the umpteenth time that IndiaMike is primarily for original comment and personal experience. So please think twice before you cut-and-paste the next internet snippet that catches your eye in the hope of starting a discussion. Even better: don't do it at all.

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