How to expose Corruption and Bribery ?

saajan_20 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:47

property
Tax evasion
Goa
These 3 words used to refer some1 in same context means in no way is the person a nice person who shall welcome your court case /police complain/any issue u raise out of it
So unless u wanna cut the branch on which u sit go ahead !!
1 more thing if this was nt related to goa i dont think u wuld have received
So many responses 2 !!

If it s something personal revenge dont take it to court settle it pal
tAKE a cHILL pILLL

patti123 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 20:08

Dellon i think you have a lot to learn about Goa . Dont matter if you are in the right, your a foreigner in India they can do what they like and get away with it.

Dellon · Nov 22nd, 2007, 21:24

I'm 100% acutely aware of how Goa or India for that matter works. I have been going there many years. I am not going to have a property confiscated that I purchased honestly without some fight in me, at least give me credit for that.

patti123 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 21:35

Sorry Dellon, i was just coming back to re phrase what i said. I dont think you are on your own with having your property confiscated . I have heard of a few being taken away from them .One was in Shopora < cant spell it > a guy there had his Portuguese house taken from him , only cause they changed some stupid rule and he hadnt signed the paper work. When you next go back to Goa ,ask around the bars where they Uk people that live in Goa are. See if they have heard of anyone else with the same problem, and see what they are doing .
Good luck to you with whatever step you take.

machadinha · Nov 22nd, 2007, 22:18

Dellon, Yogagal already pointed you on to another thread in post #5 of this thread. I'd encourage you to read all that, if you can muster it. That thread itself links on to another, earlier and equally massive, thread.

It may give you some idea of what you're up against. Here they are, both of them:

Foreign owned property in Goa, (Part One)
Foreign owned property in Goa, (part Two)

capt_mahajan · Nov 22nd, 2007, 22:21

This thread started with reporting tax evasion and bribery, and has come down to confiscation of property in Goa.

Am I the only cyncial guy out here?

patti123 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 22:39

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cynical
No your not alone i am the same as you.Took me a while to get like that though .

Dellon · Nov 22nd, 2007, 23:02

My original comments and thoughts were if you are going down with a sinking ship why not take the perpetrator with you if you have knowledge of bribery and tax evasion.

crvlvr · Nov 22nd, 2007, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dellon

I am somewhat perplexed by a few of your comments

Does that mean if you are a dalit you have no social mobility or that a woman burned by kerosene for not paying enough dowry that its ok because thats India. Should they also not report anything because they might upset someone.

Should it not be the case that foreigner or Indian you are not above the law in any country and that some of your views only serve to justify the status quo.

Now, can you really consider murder and corruption to be the same kind of crime? the kind of crime that you have indicated is a typical case of "he said, she said" what that means is that you would be the only witness. If your complaint is (ever) taken seriously. you will be made to stick around as the primary witness. are you willing to go through all that trouble?

Now, if you have suffered some kind of material loss and are seeking retribution, it may make sense. If you are trying to set the world straight, know what you are getting into. As some have suggested, even physical violence against the whistle blower is possible.

patti123 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 23:38

Quote:

even physical violence against the whistle blower is possible.

Thats what i would be scared off . I be too frightened to go out. They can lock you up in Goa and make the charges up as they go along .

Thats not because it is the right thing to do ,its what they do !

edwardseco · Nov 23rd, 2007, 01:19

In this case an odd response. People can let their fears take over their lives. I suggest working with news media as well to generate some cover. Do you have Goan friends, by all means connect. This thread reminds me of living in the barrio, so many people afraid of their skins, they live as cattle. If its a subtantial loss go for it and ignore those that have sold their patrimony for a bowl of porridge. Back to normality and less Southern Baptist, I lived in a hard area for a decade. When I left there were no drug dealers left. It was the work of only a handfull of determined locals. Took a few threats and one attack but how much worse is it to simply roll over for everything? Threats and violence are real. But, how much worse is it to simply internalize that? Its a challenge but I encourage the OP to do what they can..

rangss · Nov 23rd, 2007, 03:44

All the time confirming my belief...Goa sucks!

York Stiller · Nov 23rd, 2007, 04:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangss

All the time confirming my belief...Goa sucks!

Especially when you´re in deep doo-doo and forgot to ask IM first.

vandy · Nov 23rd, 2007, 06:07

After reading the various posts on this topic,

There's not much chance of me Returning to Goa.

When a traveller once complained of Too Many DOGS
in Goa,Which variety do you think he was Referring
to, The 4 legged ones or the 2 legged ones.

rangss,I think you could be right.

vandy

BTW: Terrific Post By Nickh on this issue,well done nick,excellent advice mate.

indira · Nov 23rd, 2007, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dellon

My original comments and thoughts were if you are going down with a sinking ship why not take the perpetrator with you if you have knowledge of bribery and tax evasion.

Contact the RIO (right of information) the office is based in mapuca.....u will have to pay rs.10 and file ur complaint, they are very good....

Nov 22nd, 2007, 22:18	#20
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,445	Dellon, Yogagal already pointed you on to another thread in post #5 of this thread. I'd encourage you to read all that, if you can muster it. That thread itself links on to another, earlier and equally massive, thread. It may give you some idea of what you're up against. Here they are, both of them: Foreign owned property in Goa, (Part One) Foreign owned property in Goa, (part Two) __________________ Reading tips, all picked up at IndiaMike : INDAX's A Comprehensive Guide To India / Dinoj Surendran's Desi Humor / ITHVC on Culture Shock & Travel Health / JetLag Travel Guides For the Undiscerning Traveller / India Travel Links

Nov 23rd, 2007, 03:44	#27
rangss Bulk Carrier Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,840	All the time confirming my belief...Goa sucks! __________________ ...and I took the road less travelled.

Nov 23rd, 2007, 06:07	#29
vandy Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: perth-australia Posts: 794	Goa After reading the various posts on this topic, There's not much chance of me Returning to Goa. When a traveller once complained of Too Many DOGS in Goa,Which variety do you think he was Referring to, The 4 legged ones or the 2 legged ones. rangss,I think you could be right. vandy BTW: Terrific Post By Nickh on this issue,well done nick,excellent advice mate.

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saajan_20 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bombay {mumbai} Posts: 349	property Tax evasion Goa These 3 words used to refer some1 in same context means in no way is the person a nice person who shall welcome your court case /police complain/any issue u raise out of it So unless u wanna cut the branch on which u sit go ahead !! 1 more thing if this was nt related to goa i dont think u wuld have received So many responses 2 !! If it s something personal revenge dont take it to court settle it pal tAKE a cHILL pILLL

Nov 22nd, 2007, 20:08	#17
patti123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 476	Dellon i think you have a lot to learn about Goa . Dont matter if you are in the right, your a foreigner in India they can do what they like and get away with it.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 21:24	#18
Dellon Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 18	I'm 100% acutely aware of how Goa or India for that matter works. I have been going there many years. I am not going to have a property confiscated that I purchased honestly without some fight in me, at least give me credit for that.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 21:35	#19
patti123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 476	Sorry Dellon, i was just coming back to re phrase what i said. I dont think you are on your own with having your property confiscated . I have heard of a few being taken away from them .One was in Shopora < cant spell it > a guy there had his Portuguese house taken from him , only cause they changed some stupid rule and he hadnt signed the paper work. When you next go back to Goa ,ask around the bars where they Uk people that live in Goa are. See if they have heard of anyone else with the same problem, and see what they are doing . Good luck to you with whatever step you take.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 22:21	#21
capt_mahajan Dis member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,875	This thread started with reporting tax evasion and bribery, and has come down to confiscation of property in Goa. Am I the only cyncial guy out here?

Nov 22nd, 2007, 22:39	#22
patti123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 476	http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cynical No your not alone i am the same as you.Took me a while to get like that though .

Nov 22nd, 2007, 23:02	#23
Dellon Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 18	My original comments and thoughts were if you are going down with a sinking ship why not take the perpetrator with you if you have knowledge of bribery and tax evasion.

Nov 23rd, 2007, 01:19	#26
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,436	In this case an odd response. People can let their fears take over their lives. I suggest working with news media as well to generate some cover. Do you have Goan friends, by all means connect. This thread reminds me of living in the barrio, so many people afraid of their skins, they live as cattle. If its a subtantial loss go for it and ignore those that have sold their patrimony for a bowl of porridge. Back to normality and less Southern Baptist, I lived in a hard area for a decade. When I left there were no drug dealers left. It was the work of only a handfull of determined locals. Took a few threats and one attack but how much worse is it to simply roll over for everything? Threats and violence are real. But, how much worse is it to simply internalize that? Its a challenge but I encourage the OP to do what they can..

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