How to expose Corruption and Bribery ?

Dellon · Nov 22nd, 2007, 01:03

Hi IM'ers

I have information on tax evasion and bribery over the last 4 years by a particular proprietor in Goa, whom I bought a property off and discovered that my deeds were illegal. Are there any reputable bodies within Goa or India to expose this person, bodies that are straight and uncorruptable.

Also, a very good advocate either in Goa or India.

Cheers
Dellon

crvlvr · Nov 22nd, 2007, 01:28

Dellon,

Are you sure that this "expose" will not come back to bite you in the butt? If you are part of an illegal transaction, you could get into trouble too.

patti123 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 01:50

Dellon. I would just let it go.If you take him to court it will take years and cost you a huge amount. You probably be classed as a trouble maker and be denied a visa <if you have a court case ,you can still get a visa >
I wouldnt make a enemy of a a Goan.

Dellon · Nov 22nd, 2007, 04:38

My case was not involved with bribery just a case of the deeds being handed to me on arrival even though I had'nt asked for them, like others. Do I just walk away

Is that what you are saying

Is that what you would do?

Sama · Nov 22nd, 2007, 04:46

are you Indian or a foreigner? there's a huge thread here about foreign owned property in goa if you care to wade through it. but if you're indian, then never mind....

capt_mahajan · Nov 22nd, 2007, 07:55

Quick thoughts:

-agree with crvlvr.

Also because

Quote:

My case was not involved with bribery just a case of the deeds being handed to me on arrival even though I had'nt asked for them, like others

Few property transactions take place without at least some bribery. Your's probably did, too, even though you may not know about it.

- You will make some interesting enemies by exposing 'bribery and tax evasion'. Some of these will be private, some in government. That's fine, but do you understand what this might involve?

crvlvr · Nov 22nd, 2007, 08:38

yogagal's question is aprmount. If you are a foreigner, just walk away. If you are an Indian, well.. you probably would'nt be asking the question to begin with.

machadinha · Nov 22nd, 2007, 08:44

For some reason I'm reminded of friends of mine who at pertinent, and preferably not-so pertinent, moments like to quote Monty Python's Holy Grail when they find themselves in another tight spot:

Run away! Run away! Run away!

But, um, good luck with it. Sounds like another tough one.

vandy · Nov 22nd, 2007, 09:19

Right On machadinha, I was going to suggest to write a letter to the Governor and HEAD FOR THE HILLS,Just in case the Proprietor is Related to someone who Matters.

When I was in Goa last year, I saw members of the Local Constabulory collecting Taxes from Shack &
Restaurant owners,couldn't work out why they wern't issuing RECEIPTS.

This sort of crap goes on all over the world.

unfortunately.

vandy

capt_mahajan · Nov 22nd, 2007, 09:32

mach's post was deleted by him, apparently.

Pity, I agreed with it, too

machadinha · Nov 22nd, 2007, 09:40

Ah! OK, well, due to overwhelming response, it's been restored. I had one of those bouts of I'm being mean here, you know how that is.

Anyway, see above (# 8). And I do wish OP the best with it. If it helps I'm not at all so sure.

patti123 · Nov 22nd, 2007, 15:11

I still say walk away . Everyone in goa is related , you are a a foreigner a Advocate would love to take your case on cause with the cash he will make from you he will be able to build himself a new house. You will never win .

Nick-H · Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:07

If you encounter corruption in a government office there will be an appropriate enforcement officer to whom it should be reported. There is often a sign giving name and contact details in the department.

If you wish for action to be taken against an individual, I guess you must go to the police.

You may well find that it is necessary to bribe the policeman, even to take your report, and you will probably soon discover that your target individual has closer, more senior friends in the police force than you do.

Political friends will also protect him, and, if they are not immediately available to him, there will be thugs on call somewhere in this circuit of contacts.

You are a stranger in a place where this game is just mild amusement.

BTW... what is the implication for you of just walking away with your deeds?

Dellon · Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:20

I am somewhat perplexed by a few of your comments

Does that mean if you are a dalit you have no social mobility or that a woman burned by kerosene for not paying enough dowry that its ok because thats India. Should they also not report anything because they might upset someone.

Should it not be the case that foreigner or Indian you are not above the law in any country and that some of your views only serve to justify the status quo.

nayan · Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:34

What has dalit issues or bride burning got to do with your case?
they are criminal cases and dealt with as such.

you have info on tax evasion and illegal deeds. you wanted to know the organization to lay information to. I donot know about tax evasion but you can definitely lodge a complaint with the police in case of the illegal documents.
How effective that will be in getting you justice depends on lots of factors. That is where the members have advised you to think ahead and then act.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 01:03	#1
Dellon Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 18	How to expose Corruption and Bribery ? Hi IM'ers I have information on tax evasion and bribery over the last 4 years by a particular proprietor in Goa, whom I bought a property off and discovered that my deeds were illegal. Are there any reputable bodies within Goa or India to expose this person, bodies that are straight and uncorruptable. Also, a very good advocate either in Goa or India. Cheers Dellon

Nov 22nd, 2007, 04:46	#5
Sama a pain in the asana Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the India inside my heart Posts: 5,434	are you Indian or a foreigner? there's a huge thread here about foreign owned property in goa if you care to wade through it. but if you're indian, then never mind.... __________________ *My India, 2005-2008* BE THE REVOLUTION

Nov 22nd, 2007, 08:44	#8
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 10,917	For some reason I'm reminded of friends of mine who at pertinent, and preferably not-so pertinent, moments like to quote Monty Python's Holy Grail when they find themselves in another tight spot: Run away! Run away! Run away! But, um, good luck with it. Sounds like another tough one. __________________ Reading tips, all picked up at IndiaMike : INDAX's A Comprehensive Guide To India / Dinoj Surendran's Desi Humor / ITHVC on Culture Shock & Travel Health / JetLag Travel Guides For the Undiscerning Traveller / India Travel Links Last edited by machadinha : Nov 22nd, 2007 at 09:50.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 09:19	#9
vandy Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: perth-australia Posts: 715	Corruption Right On machadinha, I was going to suggest to write a letter to the Governor and HEAD FOR THE HILLS,Just in case the Proprietor is Related to someone who Matters. When I was in Goa last year, I saw members of the Local Constabulory collecting Taxes from Shack & Restaurant owners,couldn't work out why they wern't issuing RECEIPTS. This sort of crap goes on all over the world. unfortunately. vandy

Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:07	#13
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,692	If you encounter corruption in a government office there will be an appropriate enforcement officer to whom it should be reported. There is often a sign giving name and contact details in the department. If you wish for action to be taken against an individual, I guess you must go to the police. You may well find that it is necessary to bribe the policeman, even to take your report, and you will probably soon discover that your target individual has closer, more senior friends in the police force than you do. Political friends will also protect him, and, if they are not immediately available to him, there will be thugs on call somewhere in this circuit of contacts. You are a stranger in a place where this game is just mild amusement. BTW... what is the implication for you of just walking away with your deeds? __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

Nov 22nd, 2007, 01:28	#2
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 4,498	Dellon, Are you sure that this "expose" will not come back to bite you in the butt? If you are part of an illegal transaction, you could get into trouble too.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 01:50	#3
patti123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 459	Dellon. I would just let it go.If you take him to court it will take years and cost you a huge amount. You probably be classed as a trouble maker and be denied a visa <if you have a court case ,you can still get a visa > I wouldnt make a enemy of a a Goan.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 04:38	#4
Dellon Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 18	My case was not involved with bribery just a case of the deeds being handed to me on arrival even though I had'nt asked for them, like others. Do I just walk away Is that what you are saying Is that what you would do?

Nov 22nd, 2007, 08:38	#7
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 4,498	yogagal's question is aprmount. If you are a foreigner, just walk away. If you are an Indian, well.. you probably would'nt be asking the question to begin with.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 09:32	#10
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,509	mach's post was deleted by him, apparently. Pity, I agreed with it, too

Nov 22nd, 2007, 09:40	#11
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 10,917	Ah! OK, well, due to overwhelming response, it's been restored. I had one of those bouts of I'm being mean here, you know how that is. Anyway, see above (# 8). And I do wish OP the best with it. If it helps I'm not at all so sure.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 15:11	#12
patti123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 459	I still say walk away . Everyone in goa is related , you are a a foreigner a Advocate would love to take your case on cause with the cash he will make from you he will be able to build himself a new house. You will never win .

Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:20	#14
Dellon Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 18	I am somewhat perplexed by a few of your comments Does that mean if you are a dalit you have no social mobility or that a woman burned by kerosene for not paying enough dowry that its ok because thats India. Should they also not report anything because they might upset someone. Should it not be the case that foreigner or Indian you are not above the law in any country and that some of your views only serve to justify the status quo.

Nov 22nd, 2007, 16:34	#15
nayan Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hyderabad/tokyo Posts: 1,028	What has dalit issues or bride burning got to do with your case? they are criminal cases and dealt with as such. you have info on tax evasion and illegal deeds. you wanted to know the organization to lay information to. I donot know about tax evasion but you can definitely lodge a complaint with the police in case of the illegal documents. How effective that will be in getting you justice depends on lots of factors. That is where the members have advised you to think ahead and then act.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

User Name		Remember Me?
Password

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Wait Listed Train Tickets and Corruption	Jalfreezi	Chai and Chat	14	Dec 12th, 2005 15:08
improved index of corruption	sadhuji	Chai and Chat	0	Oct 19th, 2005 19:46