How greedy can they get?.

Honey Bee · Aug 10th, 2008, 04:45

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Originally Posted by machadinha

Skin color and nationality are two quite distinct issues though.

Don't understand what you mean. I deplore the skin colour reference.

Honey Bee · Aug 10th, 2008, 04:55

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Originally Posted by machadinha

Try and turn that around to consider that everyone pays the same, but locals may have schemes in place to make cultural affairs more accessible to them.

Sounds suddenly very different, doesn't it? It is like that in many countries.

The cultural and public transport passes etc. of various kinds we have in The Netherlands are technically available to all, however they're usually not worth your money unless you spend a longer period here. There'll be some similar deals to accommodate tourists, which will still work out substantially more expensive than they would to someone who lives here though, and hence has the time to take full advantage of the better passes and deals (and the money I might add, which will still be a requirement -- it has been estimated that to take full advantage of a pass originally designed for people on the dole here would take about three times that income. Since that caused some embarrassment, it is now indeed a cultural pass to be purchased "by all" -- those on welfare just get it for free.)

I'd be surprised if most of this works essentially very different anywhere in Europe, and it doesn't seem to in those places I know. And I'll bet if India had something similar in place, i.e., same prices, but a discount for nationals, no one or very few would squeak about it. And it would suddenly no longer sound like "price discrimination," but like a sensible way to hopefully allow one's residents access to their and others' cultural heritage rather. And in a country where, we'll all realize, many people aren't exactly well-off, to put it very mildly.

Fine I agree with this. People who live in Scotland and Wales, get privilages which their Assemblies pay for, from our "over burdened taxes" Cultural heritage places in Scotland and Wales have Free admittance, but only to those who live in the principality. EVERY BODY ELSE WHATEVER COLOUR PAYS THE SAME. and that should be the same in India.
What we have been arguing about is taxi's, resturants, shops, Supermarkets etc. etc.
who have dual pricing, this you will not find in the UK

machadinha · Aug 10th, 2008, 05:06

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Originally Posted by Honey Bee

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Originally Posted by machadinha
Skin color and nationality are two quite distinct issues though.

Don't understand what you mean. I deplore the skin colour reference.

That was in response to JCBrum's post preceding it, not to you.

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Originally Posted by Honey Bee

What we have been arguing about is taxi's, resturants, shops, Supermarkets etc. etc. who have dual pricing, this you will not find in the UK

Again: That's not dual pricing in my book, that's people cashing in on you or your status, perceived or otherwise.

Let me get this straight: You, rightly or wrongly, believe expats and tourists there make up for a substantial part of the local economy. True or not, it follows that local salesmen and so on will follow up on this status and try and charge you anything they can get away with. That's international tourism and the general expat scene for you.

To take another simple example from my own locality, downtown here some joints may charge me E 4.50 for what should be a E 1.25 cup of coffee. I find that outrageous, but instead of running to a web forum to complain about price discrimination, as a local luckily I'll know a place next door with normal prices, or if not, I'd seek one out. Or I can make my own coffee at home of course.

Those places meanwhile seem to flourish as long as there are plenty of people, including affluent locals, willing to pay that.

In other words, it seems to me you're complaining about prices having skyrocketed and things generally "not being like they used to" in a place where you have played no small part in it being so in the first place. And I have no patience whatsoever with either tourists or expats (of whatever financial category, i.e., including the fabled "backpackers" aka "travelers") who cannot and even adamantly refuse to see their own role in any of this.

hal2004 · Aug 10th, 2008, 06:48

I can't understand someone who would pay $15-20 to get into a monument or museum at home complaining that it costs $2 in India, but nationals only pay 25 cents.

Honey Bee · Aug 10th, 2008, 10:16

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Originally Posted by hal2004

I can't understand someone who would pay $15-20 to get into a monument or museum at home complaining that it costs $2 in India, but nationals only pay 25 cents.

As I have said before, we will have to agree to differ. Apart from culteral logic, we also here have men's logic

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 10th, 2008, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Honey Bee

What we have been arguing about is taxi's, resturants, shops, Supermarkets etc. etc.
who have dual pricing, this you will not find in the UK

You will not find that in UK, that is why you are in Goa. Certain points I will like to make here, without going into long economic sounding lectures.

1. You can give whatever name to it, dual pricing in this case, but this happens all across in India, especially in places with tourism as their core business and I am not talking about places with see loads of western tourists. I am talking any place which sees any form of tourism (including religious).

2. Keep a tab at section for any major city on the board, you will always people asking about taxis rates, auto rates, best places to buy stuff, however you will also realise that as locals we are also handling variable pricing in many things and end up bargaining for it to the amount we feel comfortable paying for it.

Even though I do agree with this practice, however I do not see it as 'discrimination', its just a case of businessman trying to maximize his profit and a consumer trying to maximize the value of his purchase.

Honey Bee · Aug 10th, 2008, 17:08

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Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

You will not find that in UK, that is why you are in Goa. Certain points I will like to make here, without going into long economic sounding lectures.

1. You can give whatever name to it, dual pricing in this case, but this happens all across in India, especially in places with tourism as their core business and I am not talking about places with see loads of western tourists. I am talking any place which sees any form of tourism (including religious).

2. Keep a tab at section for any major city on the board, you will always people asking about taxis rates, auto rates, best places to buy stuff, however you will also realise that as locals we are also handling variable pricing in many things and end up bargaining for it to the amount we feel comfortable paying for it.

Even though I do agree with this practice, however I do not see it as 'discrimination', its just a case of businessman trying to maximize his profit and a consumer trying to maximize the value of his purchase.

Last word on the subject!!! (I hope) We can go into the monuments etc at local rate with our "Pink Book" but prefer to pay the same as other tourists, as the monuments need looking after, and we appreciate their history

There is no way anybody is going to fleece us, as we know the going rate BUT if we didn't we would only purchase a service or commodity which we thought was value for money - then everybody is happy.

stevebenaulim · Aug 10th, 2008, 17:13

Restores your faith.
Many moons ago, i was in North India,
in a small village, i took my rucksack
to a small tailor, for a repair.
Of course i asked first, how much?.
He said up to you, i said 10 rupees,
he said 5 rupees.
Not ruined by tourism.

Mickey S · Aug 10th, 2008, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Honey Bee

People who live in Scotland and Wales, get privilages which their Assemblies pay for, from our "over burdened taxes" Cultural heritage places in Scotland and Wales have Free admittance, but only to those who live in the principality. EVERY BODY ELSE WHATEVER COLOUR PAYS THE SAME. and that should be the same in India.

This is not true. Museums in Wales are free for everyone - not just citizens of Wales, nor even of the UK. No-one pays.

This doesn't undermine your basic point about dual pricing in India, but I just thought I'd set the record straight.

old man · Aug 10th, 2008, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Mickey S

This is not true. Museums in Wales are free for everyone - not just citizens of Wales, nor even of the UK. No-one pays.

This doesn't undermine your basic point about dual pricing in India, but I just thought I'd set the record straight.

I think she means what is coming in on lst September.

Haylo · Aug 10th, 2008, 22:16

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Originally Posted by old man

I think she means what is coming in on lst September.

For those like me who do not live in your area, what is coming in on 1st September?

Nick-H · Aug 10th, 2008, 23:06

Err...

September is?

machadinha · Aug 11th, 2008, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Honey Bee

Fine I agree with this. People who live in Scotland and Wales, get privilages which their Assemblies pay for, from our "over burdened taxes" Cultural heritage places in Scotland and Wales have Free admittance, but only to those who live in the principality. EVERY BODY ELSE WHATEVER COLOUR PAYS THE SAME. and that should be the same in India.

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Originally Posted by Mickey S

This is not true. Museums in Wales are free for everyone - not just citizens of Wales, nor even of the UK. No-one pays.

This doesn't undermine your basic point about dual pricing in India, but I just thought I'd set the record straight.

Didn't Honey Bee mean this just by way of a rhetorical example? That's how I read it anyway. Not one I agree with, as it regionalizes the issue.

kalbarri · Aug 11th, 2008, 00:40

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Originally Posted by stevebenaulim

Can anyone find a more expensive shack?.
One beach shack in South Goa (name witheld).
In a area mostly russian tourists.
An aloo gobi 120rp, plain rice 50rp, small kings beer 40rp.
It may not seem too much for the 2 week tourist, but this is crazy.
Maybe, just maybe people will vote on there feet??.
Thx

if i was an in dian i would be doing the same. it pees me off sometimes but other times i jsut let it ride. i am capable of bartering so i usually try to find out what a local would pay.the other day i was majorly done over but found out and got my money back.

i am fresh back in india and haven't made a phonecall here in years . phoned kerala from mallallapuram for about 10 mins and was charged 380rps for about a 27rp call.

i told the guy, hey its cheaper to phone kerala from australia! and he just shrugged. mentioned it to someone else and they enlightened me!

Nick-H · Aug 11th, 2008, 00:52

Sheesh... Glad you got your money back.

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hal2004 · · · — — — · · · Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 948	I can't understand someone who would pay $15-20 to get into a monument or museum at home complaining that it costs $2 in India, but nationals only pay 25 cents.

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stevebenaulim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: goa Posts: 167	Restores your faith. Many moons ago, i was in North India, in a small village, i took my rucksack to a small tailor, for a repair. Of course i asked first, how much?. He said up to you, i said 10 rupees, he said 5 rupees. Not ruined by tourism.

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