Flying in on a charter and leaving on a scheduled flight

mark24c · Jan 10th, 2009, 20:11

is this possible

Nikos · Jan 10th, 2009, 20:39

Yes you can.

You cannot arrive on Scheduled and depart on Charter however.

billlew · Jan 11th, 2009, 05:05

In 2005, we stayed for 5 weeks, flying in on a £95 return 14 day charter, booked through Somak holidays. We did not use the return flight and before we flew out, booked a scheduled single via Mumbai, London to Manchester for £274.
Somak even contacted us 2 days before flying out and offered us the premium upgrade for £50, which we snapped up.

a_f_d · Jan 11th, 2009, 11:55

there was a story doing the rounds a few months ago about a German tourist "fined" at Dabolim for leaving from an airport other than his arrival port - but if true it was surely just a scam!

AndyD 8-)#

edwardseco · Jan 11th, 2009, 13:57

I wonder if the charter wouldn't just go ahead and sell the empty return seat..

billlew · Jan 11th, 2009, 15:08

We told them that we wouldn't be using the return, but they wern't really interested. On our immigration forms we put down that we would be leaving from mumbai with the flight number and date 5 weeks on. No notice was taken at Dabolim of this.
Do the fines just kick in when people don't plan the return? Are there any first hand examples of fines rather than a friend of a friend heard that type examples?

Nikos · Jan 11th, 2009, 16:06

In order for the return seat from the un-used packaged 7 or 14 night duration flight to be sold to someone else, the passenger would need to declare the un-used seat by completing a "curtailment form".

Once this form is complete the seat is re-loaded onto the system for someone else to re-book.

Should the passenger fail to complete the form, the seat can only be sold on a standby basis - 40 minutes before the departure time of the flight as they will be no show on the day.

Passenger recieves no compensation or refund for un-used sector.

Nikos · Jan 11th, 2009, 16:10

Booking agents usually don't give a care in the world about passengers not using return legs, unless they are a flight broker who specifically trade in charter seats.

If someone wanted a one-way charter UK - GOA, the agent can book the return package, charge full price to passenger - however only give passenger outbound.

Inbound would then be sold on to someone else, probably at an inflatd price, resulting in pure profit.

This very rarely happens though.

a_f_d · Jan 11th, 2009, 19:10

David (of Davidair) used to run a business selling 'empty' charter returns Goa - UK but these were unsold seats from UK - he was never interested in taking your return ticket off you (he said the admin costs were more than any commission he would get)

AndyD 8-)#

Haylo · Jan 12th, 2009, 00:06

Please note that if you book a return flight (at least from the UK) and do not use the outward ticket, your return flight will be cancelled and your contract with the airline is void. I believe that this applies to both charter AND scheduled flights.

I recently heard on a consumer programme, the tale of someone who missed his outgoing flight, so paid out nearly the cost of a return ticket with another airline for one way tickets so he didn't miss his holiday. When he tried to fly back, despite having told his original airline that he'd missed the outward flight and would need his return ticket, he found they had cancelled his return ticket and that doing so was in line with the ticket conditions.

According to the specialist lawyers that the programme makers interviewed, the airline were in their rights and he had absolutely no comeback.

edwardseco · Jan 12th, 2009, 00:34

Yes, the passenger doesn't have this option..

Nikos · Jan 13th, 2009, 00:25

Haylo, that does not apply to Charter Airlines.

Haylo · Jan 13th, 2009, 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikos

Haylo, that does not apply to Charter Airlines.

I am not entirely convinced of that, but neither am I inclined to spend time searching for a definitive answer either way, so I am not in a position to dispute your point.

What I will say is that I recommend that anyone who plans to use only the return part of an airline ticket obtains a statement, in writing, from their airline to the effect that their return ticket is valid, even if they do not use the outgoing ticket.

billlew · Jan 13th, 2009, 04:45

With me, I used the outgoing and not the return. I told the rep at the airport and also the one who visited the hotel next door to where I was staying. No interest shown whatsever.

Fenni · Feb 1st, 2009, 00:23

I purchased unused return charter flights from Goa but it is a very dodgy process. A lot of people appear to get their cut, right up to getting on the plane.
Purchase took place in the street using a bag of mixed currency.

I did hear that charter flight companies are legally obliged to get a passenger back to UK but not looked deeply into this. It probably only occurs when something serious has happened to the passenger, thus delaying departure.

Jan 10th, 2009, 20:11	#1
mark24c Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: peterborough Posts: 5	Flying in on a charter and leaving on a scheduled flight is this possible

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Haylo Neophyte Join Date: May 2008 Location: Delhi / Worcestershire Posts: 4,280	WARNING about trying to use ONLY the return part of a return ticket Please note that if you book a return flight (at least from the UK) and do not use the outward ticket, your return flight will be cancelled and your contract with the airline is void. I believe that this applies to both charter AND scheduled flights. I recently heard on a consumer programme, the tale of someone who missed his outgoing flight, so paid out nearly the cost of a return ticket with another airline for one way tickets so he didn't miss his holiday. When he tried to fly back, despite having told his original airline that he'd missed the outward flight and would need his return ticket, he found they had cancelled his return ticket and that doing so was in line with the ticket conditions. According to the specialist lawyers that the programme makers interviewed, the airline were in their rights and he had absolutely no comeback. __________________ The world is mud-luscious and puddle-wonderful - E.E. Cummings, poet (1894-1962)

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Jan 10th, 2009, 20:39	#2
Nikos Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 50	Yes you can. You cannot arrive on Scheduled and depart on Charter however.

Jan 11th, 2009, 05:05	#3
billlew Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Grimsby UK Posts: 23	In 2005, we stayed for 5 weeks, flying in on a £95 return 14 day charter, booked through Somak holidays. We did not use the return flight and before we flew out, booked a scheduled single via Mumbai, London to Manchester for £274. Somak even contacted us 2 days before flying out and offered us the premium upgrade for £50, which we snapped up.

Jan 11th, 2009, 11:55	#4
a_f_d geek Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK etc. Posts: 187	there was a story doing the rounds a few months ago about a German tourist "fined" at Dabolim for leaving from an airport other than his arrival port - but if true it was surely just a scam! AndyD 8-)#

Jan 11th, 2009, 13:57	#5
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 5,292	I wonder if the charter wouldn't just go ahead and sell the empty return seat..

Jan 11th, 2009, 15:08	#6
billlew Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Grimsby UK Posts: 23	We told them that we wouldn't be using the return, but they wern't really interested. On our immigration forms we put down that we would be leaving from mumbai with the flight number and date 5 weeks on. No notice was taken at Dabolim of this. Do the fines just kick in when people don't plan the return? Are there any first hand examples of fines rather than a friend of a friend heard that type examples?

Jan 11th, 2009, 16:06	#7
Nikos Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 50	In order for the return seat from the un-used packaged 7 or 14 night duration flight to be sold to someone else, the passenger would need to declare the un-used seat by completing a "curtailment form". Once this form is complete the seat is re-loaded onto the system for someone else to re-book. Should the passenger fail to complete the form, the seat can only be sold on a standby basis - 40 minutes before the departure time of the flight as they will be no show on the day. Passenger recieves no compensation or refund for un-used sector.

Jan 11th, 2009, 16:10	#8
Nikos Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 50	Booking agents usually don't give a care in the world about passengers not using return legs, unless they are a flight broker who specifically trade in charter seats. If someone wanted a one-way charter UK - GOA, the agent can book the return package, charge full price to passenger - however only give passenger outbound. Inbound would then be sold on to someone else, probably at an inflatd price, resulting in pure profit. This very rarely happens though.

Jan 11th, 2009, 19:10	#9
a_f_d geek Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK etc. Posts: 187	David (of Davidair) used to run a business selling 'empty' charter returns Goa - UK but these were unsold seats from UK - he was never interested in taking your return ticket off you (he said the admin costs were more than any commission he would get) AndyD 8-)#

Jan 12th, 2009, 00:34	#11
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 5,292	Yes, the passenger doesn't have this option..

Jan 13th, 2009, 00:25	#12
Nikos Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 50	Haylo, that does not apply to Charter Airlines.

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Jan 13th, 2009, 04:45	#14
billlew Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Grimsby UK Posts: 23	With me, I used the outgoing and not the return. I told the rep at the airport and also the one who visited the hotel next door to where I was staying. No interest shown whatsever.

Feb 1st, 2009, 00:23	#15
Fenni Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 3	I purchased unused return charter flights from Goa but it is a very dodgy process. A lot of people appear to get their cut, right up to getting on the plane. Purchase took place in the street using a bag of mixed currency. I did hear that charter flight companies are legally obliged to get a passenger back to UK but not looked deeply into this. It probably only occurs when something serious has happened to the passenger, thus delaying departure.