British Media on Goa

rama-roo

Yes , from the Indian Census figures for 'accidental death' is 78% of annual figure . It has risen sharply throughout the 1990's , that is their own account . Goa top's the list in accidental death now . It is extemely high by their own account , many of these deaths are in fact murder of course but families are likely to accept 'accident'when the pathogist's report supports the police theory . Scarlett was one of several accidents .

shashank.aggarwal

rama-roo, I don't know what kind of numbers you are trying to throw..can you please elaborate..

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baz

I thought the whole point of this press coverage was that this death was NO accident. I understand some of what you are trying to convey, but you need to explain and expand a bit more.

rama-roo

I am trying to convey the fact that Scarlett Keeling is by no means an isolated case . The pre-occupation with her mother is a distration from the real issue which is security for everyone who lives or visits Goa . Many people are victims to the crime in goa ...why are we discussing the victims mother at great lenght ? why not look at the broader issue facing goa and tourism . It seems Fiona Mackewon is solely to blame for her daughters murder ....and the other 75 maybe recent cases ? maybe the media should discuss the culprits NOT the victims .

capt_mahajan

and maybe you should elaborate on some pretty alarming figures you have chosen to submit in post 76.

A link would be nice.

baz

The thread was actually started about the press digging up nearly twenty year old stories about Goa,and asking what relevance they have to recent events. As for Scarlett's mother being centre of attention, and solely to blame, well that is a matter of opinion depending on who you speak too or what you read. Her actions of course have some bearing on events, so its obvious her judgements or lack of them will come into question as far as the media is concerned.
To be fair the media do seem to be exposing the wider picture, the amount of drugs, deaths, and wider corruption. Sub judice rules will probably prevent anything being discussed re: the alleged culprits. No doubt in time there will be plenty of that kind of exposure to come during a Court case.

I for one am interested in the wider picture, and I'm sure many others on IM are too?? There are no problems about discussing issues here.

So Rama Roo please share your thoughts and views, and others will do the same, thats what IM is all about.

Ouzodave

Yes, but my point is the Ket/Coke Combo

Ouzodave

I always wonder who these Mafia people are. Do any IM members know any in Goa? Every place i travel to where i go to party and have a good time theres always Mafia. Koh Phangan in Thailand theres a so called Mafia. Over in Bali same again Mafia.

Brisso

roo is saying that 78% of deaths in Goa are classified "accidental". Drug overdose, motor accident, mishap ... I can't comment on the accuracy of the figure.

baz

I know of one, at least that is what he says. He did'nt admit this until we had been friends for nearly ten years. Very well respected and has all the right connections. He did seem to be more of a heavy, than a drug dealer.

snowcrab

Could be the rickshaw walla who can sell you a chunk of hash (low level)or the owner of a five star resort or the guy who runs the travel service who got you to town in the first place(high level). Dirty money always has to be laundered somewhere.

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rama-roo

http://ncrb.nic.in/adsi/accident04.pdf
here is census material .

rama-roo

Try Naik & sons . Also D'Souza owners of the beach huts on beaches A , B & C .

machadinha

I think that Goa number you come up with reflects the percentage as to the overall accidental deaths rate in India.

I.e., that 70+ percentage of yours doesn't refer to the number of such deaths in Goa, as opposed to other causes of death. Which would have surprised me anyway. It's the percentage of accidental deaths in all of India. It really helps to be able to read statistics before passing them around to support your case.

I'll agree it's high either way though.

What strikes me is the Andamans and Nicobars are exceptionally high at 484+ percent. One would think this has to do with accuracy in reporting and filing cases indeed. Interestingly, Pondicherry, Dadar & Nagar Haveli, and Diu & Daman feature high again. Which are all Union Territories (and Goa was until 1987), one wonders if there's something lacking in administration there, or in communication to and fro with the central government. You'll realize anything that's unsolved will likely be filed away under the category. (You might like their table 1D actually, which gets quite specific on all the causes considered under the category, including a vast and by far larger number of unnatural causes, including traffic accidents.)*

So my guess like others above would be this reflects more on actual handling of cases than on cause of death involved. (Interestingly again, the Lakshadweep are reported to have no accidental deaths at all [or less than 25.5 rather], and Nagaland and a number of other notoriously troubled states rank very low. Right.)

There follow other numbers later in that report to present a fuller picture btw (which, of course, is just one report). I think you're barking up a completely wrong tree to be frank.

ps To pass around family names here as being involved in this or that is up to you. I'd be sure to have my doors firmly bolted if I were you, and I've asked the mods to take it away, which is up to them however. How are we to know if you don't have a beef with beach shack X because your beer wasn't quite chilled.

* pps I've been editing this post as I went along, and the more I look at it, the more I think those figures might make sense really. So some of my misgivings in this post re: local administration I might have to retract later, it will become a jumble if I rewrite it again now. But so anyway e.g. "accidental" industrial or traffic deaths in some areas as opposed to others don't strike me as all that odd. And: It may be a case of Hinglish used. It looks like what's meant is death by an accident -- not necessarily accidental death as other English speakers might understand it.

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dzibead

Actually, the 77.7 is not a percentage at all. The number 77.7 refers to the number of accidental deaths per per 1 lakh (100,000) of population in the state of Goa, as compared to 25.5 per 1 lakh of population averaged for the entire country.
Expressed as a percentage, that's a little less than .08 percent of deaths in relation to the entire population of Goa being considered accidental.