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Well semi nudism wouldn't be unknown peak especially back then. Even today if you get out and about you'll see farm workers dressed in little else than a small loin cloth, toddy tappers work in shorts and imagine have doe for a long time.

When focusing on the nudity and charas of those days it's easy to forget that these people forged many friendships with local people over the years, helped out families with more than just paying the rent. Attended family weddings and birthdays, had families visit them in Europe. there is was a lot of positive interaction.

I was talking to the owner of the Ferns Bar in Palolem sometime ago, Ferns was one of the original hippy hangouts in 90's Palolem where you would regularly see a group of 20 - 30 French/British/Austrian/ German hippies, sucking the glaze off a chillum and chugging beer to the sounds of Canned Heat and The Doors, long hair, colourful trousers and a waccy waistcoat..But for the most part lovely people albeit a bit hardcore for me. (boy they could smoke chillums)

The owner now has a totally different clientele, and is doing well, I mentioned in passing that she must be glad the old days have gone and she now makes a easier living. She looked at me in shock and said "no those days I miss, they were great people like my big family who helped us out a lot in the early days and bestowed many gifts and help on my family too.
I miss them cooking (hash)cakes in my kitchen, playing with our kids, or eating 4 fruit custards when the munchies set in. I miss all the laughs and mini dramas. Those were good days with good people, today's tourist is different they come eat and go with never a word" there was real emotion in her voice...

Nudity and drug taking partying was evident of course but there were other elements to the story.

And as with any group you had assholes who really pissed of the locals such was they're selfish behavior and attitudes.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Was beach nudism known to Goa pre-hippie? Or was it more a spontaneous byproduct of the location,scene,times, era ..... that caught the Goan culture by surprise and then quickly accepted as a sort of perk for their consumer patronage?
The latter.
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This picture scrapbook is so cool. I like it. I wish i was born at that time look so simple and easy and fun. Awesome!
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The westernization of Goa certainly has some negative aspects like substance abuse, impact on the ecology etc but this close contact with the foreign tourist trade also brought many positive advantages, great English, experience in the catering trade that many used to find jobs on cruise ships and in the middle east.
Self employment whereby many many people have made great lives for themselves something they probably couldn't have done minus the tourist industry.
Agree Klompen. When we first started going to Goa (13yrs ago), the Goan people were lovely, open, friendly and honest. The tourists (largely Brits, Dutch and Scandinavian) really admired this and responded by behaving similarly. We came from utterly different backgrounds but learned much from each other. There was a kind of understanding that we wouldn't wish to trade places but really enjoyed each other's company.

That's changed - the money in Goa has attracted Mumbai and Delhi people who are more business orientated and not as laid back. The advent of Russian tourism has brought a new element - Russians are culturally different and can appear brusque and demanding. And before somebody gets on their high horse about racist comments - it's not a criticism. They're just culturally different - emerging from almost a century of communism, they're bound to be.

There's still a great vibe in Goa but not as great as it used to be. But that's ife, I guess.
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Originally Posted by thaliman View Post Agree Klompen. When we first started going to Goa (13yrs ago), the Goan people were lovely, open, friendly and honest. The tourists (largely Brits, Dutch and Scandinavian) really admired this and responded by behaving similarly. We came from utterly different backgrounds but learned much from each other. There was a kind of understanding that we wouldn't wish to trade places but really enjoyed each other's company.

That's changed - the money in Goa has attracted Mumbai and Delhi people who are more business orientated and not as laid back. The advent of Russian tourism has brought a new element - Russians are culturally different and can appear brusque and demanding. And before somebody gets on their high horse about racist comments - it's not a criticism. They're just culturally different - emerging from almost a century of communism, they're bound to be.

There's still a great vibe in Goa but not as great as it used to be. But that's ife, I guess.
Interesting points. I have not been back to Goa since the Russian influx, but my daughter described what she saw a few years ago, when she visited.

My first reaction was that the way she described the general behavior of Russian tourists was very similar to the way that many Americans (& some Western Europeans) behaved in the 70s. They weren't emerging from a century of anything - certainly not communism. I think it's more to do with a sense of superiority, due to comparative financial advantages.

@klompen: FYI: the Goans were in the catering business - especially on board ships - for centuries. Most - or at least many - galley staff on ships in the British navy were Goans. They didn't learn that from the 'hippies'. A lot of Goans spoke English for centuries also, as it was always famous for its international ports.
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Originally Posted by Tarotray View Post It's the 'conformist' thing that held you back.

I did all the other things, over 15 years of living in India - mostly Goa. My kids are adults,, now, and mothers of my beautiful grandsons.

I returned to Europe in the mid-eighties and, from the age of 47, began a new and successful career in IT.

I will start my pension years, in less than 2 years and hope/plan to return to India (as part of a new traveling phase of my life), soon after I get all that settled.

I was in the thick of all that (as many people remember), searched for something special, indulged myself extensively, en route, and came out the other end with my sanity, health and life satisfaction intact.

A few words for those who wish they were older and had been there:

We had the same thoughts back then, wishing we had been there in the colonial days, before India was 'spoiled'.

Actually it is still possible to find an unspoiled and exciting place to live, today. Only you would have to put up with the rough and ready hardships that we put up with, for the sake of adventure.

If you choose a place with tourist facilities, you won't find that. So Goa is not the place to be now, if that's what you are after. Just go search for a new place - as we did - and live the life you want to - in freedom and with love.
Well said Tarotray.
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Originally Posted by Akarn_navokas View Post But seeing the photos, dont you think that this was a highly confused lot? Although I do not have any right to comment on others' personal lives, but since the photos of Gil and Ariane have been uploaded for public viewing, I cannot help but wonder at the transformation of Gil from a simple American boy to spiritualistic yogi Mangalanand to a family-man with wife Ariane (who also seem from the photos to have spiritualistic background)and traveling to Mansarovar and Mt. Kailash to being a regular party- animal and musician/singer and nudist in Goa to a Dhooni Yogi with wife Amba Giri (Ariane) in Goa and seeking blessings at various times from different Gurujis at Kumbh Melas in Prayag, Ujjain and Haridwar to being a fan of Goldie Hawn . I am not talking here about doing any 'wrong' in leading this kind of life, but these youngsters had left their countries and families to seek something over the period of quite a few years. What was that 'something' which they preferred over their family bonding? If it was pleasure, they wouldn't go seek the blessings of so many spiritual gurus. Again if that 'something' was spiritual bliss or desire to serve the society, they would not have gone partying on the beaches.

Of course, Adi Shankaracharya, Buddha, Mother Teresa, Vivekananda had left their homes too in spiritualistic pursuit or for serving people, but they did not stray from their objective. I may be wrong, but this fact leads me to believe that a person who grows up with strong family support also finds mental strength to pursue his /her goal in life single objectively, either being a part of the family or leaving family life.
Hey Akarn_navokas You sound like a real fan of Gils,,,,,,,,,,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Worldbridger...7093917&sr=1-3
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Whoah seventies'hippy is back, a welcome return!

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Thanks Conor,,,,
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Yes, welcome back!

You have been missed..........
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Originally Posted by Akarn_navokas View Post ... I am not talking here about doing any 'wrong' in leading this kind of life, but these youngsters had left their countries and families to seek something over the period of quite a few years. What was that 'something' which they preferred over their family bonding?
I remember meeting a beggar whilst in India in the very early 1970s. I would guess his age to be late 20s. His line as a reason he should be given money was: "No Mother - no Father". We just shrugged. I live in Asia now - and see the continual dependence on parents. "children" in their 30s or 40s (actually it never ends) who can't do anything without the approval of their domineering parents.

No Thanks - I don't want my kids to be like that.
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Originally Posted by Tarotray View Post It's the 'conformist' thing that held you back.

I did all the other things, over 15 years of living in India - mostly Goa. My kids are adults,, now, and mothers of my beautiful grandsons.

I returned to Europe in the mid-eighties and, from the age of 47, began a new and successful career in IT.

I will start my pension years, in less than 2 years and hope/plan to return to India (as part of a new traveling phase of my life), soon after I get all that settled.

I was in the thick of all that (as many people remember), searched for something special, indulged myself extensively, en route, and came out the other end with my sanity, health and life satisfaction intact.

A few words for those who wish they were older and had been there:

We had the same thoughts back then, wishing we had been there in the colonial days, before India was 'spoiled'.

Actually it is still possible to find an unspoiled and exciting place to live, today. Only you would have to put up with the rough and ready hardships that we put up with, for the sake of adventure.

If you choose a place with tourist facilities, you won't find that. So Goa is not the place to be now, if that's what you are after. Just go search for a new place - as we did - and live the life you want to - in freedom and with love.
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Originally Posted by Tarotray View Post I was in the thick of all that (as many people remember), searched for something special, indulged myself extensively, en route, and came out the other end with my sanity, health and life satisfaction intact.
Yeah ,, it wasn't all love peace & rock n'roll,, and like Ray says there were some real heavy times as well, some I sometimes can hardly believe happened.
I remember, Maybe Ray remembers too, One guy (details are sketchy) he robbed someones house, people knew who'd done it, he was hounded & chased until caught then a bunch of guys held him down and carved THIEF unto his forehead with blades,,,,,

For me it was great from around 1970 until 78 - 79 when lots of heavies came over from europe & the UK to get into the drugs thing but they came with blades, guns & big money, they had no interest in Goa Or India, philosophy, religion or traditions just for exporting drugs back to europe.

Maybe that was good for me, I managed to get out of it,,,,,,
If I hadn't I know I would have died there, Sadly like a lot of friends did,,,,, Bom Shankar
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