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#1 Apr 13th, 2003, 22:10
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I would like to request to all of our members that we put a slow down on copying and pasting news from other websites. Though I am the guiltiest one here, I would like to slowly put an end to it.

To quote one member who wrote me "A lot of these copy and pastes attract very little interest and also throw members questions and other useful discussions off the home page, which is the first impression new readers get about the site".

I agree this is true and I am trying not to lose focus of what the site is about or intended to be and the front page is turning into a revolving door of copy and pasted news articles and again I am the guiltiest one because I have allowed this to go on for so long.

There are a few reasons:

1. As the owner of this site I may get into legal trouble, though I have nothing, next to nothing is worse and I've been there.
2. Journalism is a tough job, with little pay mind you, and they need deserve to have their work protected.
3. Most news sites operate at a loss and this does not help them.

Here are a few suggestions of the way I wish to see it done-

If you would like to post a news article and it's from a news site or another website you may either:

a. Include the first few lines of the article and a link to the article.
b. Summarize the article in your own writing and provide a link to it.
c. Create an original article or commentary and include your name as the author.


Exemptions
There are a few journalists on the site who submit articles on a regular basis, these articles will be permitted and are encouraged. Members who wish to write their own commentaries and/or original articles are also encouraged.

This is not a new forum rule, however it is a new guideline and it's something I have been meaning to address for awhile now.

There will be some exceptions from this guideline and this will be at the sole discretion of the myself and the forum leaders.

Though there will be less news on the frontpage, it will stay there longer and the front page won't become a revolving door.

I hope everyone understands why I am announcing this new guideline and will agree with me that it is the proper thing to do.


Mike


This thread will be moved to the forum announcements in a few days time.

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#2 Apr 13th, 2003, 22:26
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Agree with the "revolving door" sentiment, Mike.

Let's see how an appeal to voluntary C+P restraint goes.

If not, how about a monthly C+P quota for each member? A maximum, non-transferable, quota of X number of articles submitted to the news forum each month, again with the exceptions for anything self-written, and possibly anything connected with breasts and/or massage.

This quota could then be slowly reduced to fit your wish of fewer C+P articles altogether.
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and possibly anything connected with breasts and/or massage.
It is just a guideline like I said
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totally agree

And I've posted 3 myself...sorry.... tend to ignore copyright (as a teacher I've photocopied whole books on many occasions....whoops). Although some articles have interesting info within them if they're more than a few paragraphs long I often don't bother reading them. Think Option A would probably be the easiest option....although even doing that will bump questions/ discussions off the front page...what about something totally separate like the Hotel Listings where news junkies can go wild.

M_T..... I see the breast/massage story has now had 664 views - go figure!
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I think the news items should go in a temporary file and released by the forum leaders or indiamike at an appropriate frequency.

Rarely, have i come across a news article that was inappropriate. However, yes , Indiamike may not want the site overwhelmed with news items.
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Copy and Paste

Agree with you Mike. I have noticed in recent weeks that copy and pastes have been crowding out member's queries and discussions, although I am also among the guilty. Judging by the number of hits many of these seem to be of minimal interest to readers. IMHO the front page should draw new members in and encourage them to ask questions and make comments.

I think voluntary C and P restraint may work, if not then Midnite_Toker's quota system. Or finally maree's idea of a totally separate section might be the answer.

As for Breast massaging Swami post - that was in the highest (or lowest) tradition of pulp journalism and even I got pulled into that one!
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I was wondering when you would change something about the news clogging up the real questions on the hp. Every now and again I was also among the guilty. I usually tried to include the link of the site it was taken from if it wasn’t a ap article circulated 1.000 times around the world. News is still an important aspect, but in my view it was a bit much at times.
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Yes, it's time.
New home for my photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/abracax/
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Taking a hard stance

I am bumping up this thread and adding some additional content and this is stemming from complaints that I have been recieving in the inbox.

We have been a little latent on this policy and have been letting some full copy and pasted articles get by.

Any copy and pasted articles reprinted entirely without permission may be deleted without prejudice

For the policy on this see the top thread of this post.


PHOTO GALLERY COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT

If your posting photos in the gallery and they are not yours then don't post them.

I have spent a good part of my Sunday responding to emails and removing photos that did not belong to the person(s) submitting them. Members will be immediately banned from the site for doing so and without warning.


I hate to take such a hard stance on things but "right is right" and myself and the forum leaders have better things to do than to track down reported complaints and apologize to people for their material appearing on the site.

Mike
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I agree with you totally, but would like a clarification.

Frankly, I'm amazed that someone would post someone else's picture to the gallery as their own and this is obviously wrong. But what about posting a picture from, say, Google images to a thread either as a puzzle or to illustrate a point? is this a no-no also? should it be attributed?

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Good point Mike,

I will go on the record and say that we are okay we that since it's commonplace on the web.

The problem with the photo gallery was that some of the photos where by major photographers and the person(s) who posted them were claiming them as there own so they where removed and a harder stance had to be taken.

So if your adding an image to a thread to illustrate a point or to show something than it is okay.

Mike
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A copy of an article appearing in a newspaper pasted here in full is no different from giving its link. ( if the source is explicityly mentioned why is it different from someone using a newspaper article to illustrate a point or to initiate a debate?)

What is the law on this ?

What is the law applicable to this website on this ?

Incidentally, if there is an issue, can Indiamike.com approach TimesofIndia, Hindu, EconomicTimes and say IndianExpress and get a one time clearance ?

These papers routinely publish articles that are courtesy "newsweek", nyt etc...

Finally, why is someone objecting to these articles - let them voice their objections.
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Archits this really isn't a topic for an argument however for a good explanation of copyright laws I would suggest you reading this well written page-

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

As far as asking news organizations for reprinting rights, well it doesn't really work like that.

News articles and images that are reprinted by other papers usually go to a news or photography agency that distribute them at a cost for reprinting. It's not cheap.


So all I just ask that members follow the guidelines in the first post from above.

Mike
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I went through that link Mike and appreciate your concern about lawyer happy United States.

True, if an Indian newspaper is farming out its rights to a US based distributor there would be no argument on this.

I am not arguing this with you , but let us see this from a different perspecitve.

To analyse the issue, I would suggest that we begin by looking at how many Indian newspapers have sent you a notice ? Or is it some members here who are unhappy ? I would say things get serious if an Indian newspaper has objected. (* I am sure you would be right in not wanting to reach this stage as well*).

If the objections are from other members who take cover of copyright issue then I am not sure of this stand.

Indian newspapers are likely to have no objection to the articles appearing here on this "not for profit" site. Do check with them.

They might actually be delighted and you can meet that cute editor from Times of India over lunch in Mumbai next time...

If someone has a problem with newspaper articles ( and there are many posters who post them) , they can well, focus on topics of their choice.

Foreigners would do well to realize ,that just as some quaint topics fascinate them , Indian posters may be interested in other things. To each his own.

The Indian may be intersted in helping out the traveller with a new bit of info or post something new happening in India , the foreigner is in raptures over the monkey that took his bread, or the *smells of India* ! I am sure both serve the purpose of cultural dialog !

Many foreigners put up " unrelated to this website " newspaper articles here...none objects

For eg the current one on marriage to an animal is an example of what I would consider a wasted article*mama mia , what rubbish*... however, it is charming and quaint to the foreigner.

What is its relevance to travel ? But I do not object as mike will confirm ( i do not object to anything for that matter on this site ) ...just carry on. Why cannot that policy be for everyone ?

Finally, time is short , it is a lot of effort to remember a good article read and then search it on the Net and post it here. Many interesting articles have appeared here from both the foreigners and Indians; I hope someone appreciates that.

I remember posting about Internet railway booking,airfares , medical tourism, kashmir, beautiful uttaranchal , kerala etc..etc.. Any thanks ? What about thanks to other posters who put up interesting stuff ? There are many who help out with news.

Thus, why not try out with a couple of newspapers and see if they allow it ?
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Well Archits,

The final word is because I said so.


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Indian newspapers are likely to have no objection to the articles appearing here on this "not for profit" site. Do check with them.
I highly doubt it, some of my best friends are journalists (NY Times, etc..etc) and often make suggestions to me like "hey you shouldn't have full articles pasted on the site". I don't think Indian newspapers are any different and I am not about to start a letter writing campaign asking to reprint articles in full.

So far yours is the only objection to this. I just don't understand why it's so difficult to just use the A, B, or C choices in the first thread that I discussed.

If other members are open debate and think I am wrong on this I will gladly listen to them.


Mama mia my patience is running thin on this topic.

Mike
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