What if you overstay your 180 days?

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#61 Mar 10th, 2009, 13:21
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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post That is just the kind of phrase Indian bureaucrats salivate over.
I really feel that I was made to be an Indian government employee; I have many of the worst attributes! Damn; born in the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by carlaeb View Post To be fair, I ought to be more specific. I was not "refused" as I claimed above but rather the officers screwed up so badly that I decided not to pursue the process (at least not now from India). I asked for something and I was not given it, but I was not officially rejected either.
Then we are more or less in the same boat on that one, although I have always felt that, had I left out the stupid, expensive agent, and just gone and applied, things might have been different. I'll never know. It took ten minutes in London!

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We refuse to pay bribes on the grounds that it's one of the biggest sources of problems in this country and so far we have not had to do it in any situation that I can remember right now- but I've heard stories of others who have and have gotten whatever visa paperwork they wanted. Who knows though, maybe those are just stories?
We do not refuse, but such transactions are definitely in the hands of my wife, who, by birth and custom understands the subtlety of such things. A direct offer from a foreigner is, indeed, just likely to cause trouble. But this was part of the problem with our through-agent application. One can imagine that this is a lucrative department in which to work, and people get transferred regularly to minimise the temptation. Our agent had made 'arrangements' with people --- but when someone got transferred, the file was not subsequently processed. (We came to know this; it is amazing how one just happens to meet people that know things in this huge country!)
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This is my last post on this subject. DZI, you DO NOT know what you are talking about or the way it really works here. BUt, judging by your constant quoting and replying, one might surmise that you are one bored attorney! Sure you are not the cranky dude who lives down the street from me back home? ;-)

Exit visa extensions of over 4 weeks seem to be quite common. Mine was over 6 weeks. My fine was 1395 for overstaying the 180 days (I'm not sure if they were swayed by the fact that I was led astray by bad advice from Indian officials, or they just don't care. My sense it's the latter). There were a few other "nominal" fees involved... those weren't printed anywhere, but there appears to be a set price LOL.

They do not yell or scream or freak out. At least in my experience. They were incompetent, but calmly incompetent. I ran into others in the same situation who had the same experiences.

You will NOT go to jail for this. Is it possible? Of course! Anything's possible in India... but unless you have a pocketful of charas or have an LET card in ur wallet, you will be fine.

Lastly, the 180 day rule is NOT clearly stated (notwithstanding some private company's website in the US). It seems clear that the rule exists... but you will not find it written or posted in any indian gov't office. If you ask for clarification from an indian official because you are hearing different things, or if you literally follow the advice on your visa (i.e. you attempt to register because you want to stay for 180 days), it is highly likely you will be led down the wrong path. They will tell you that you do NOT need to register (and they will convniently leave out the part that says you need to leave!).

Again, this is my last posting on this issue. I have more to add, but unfortunately it can't be put in print. Some of the other posters were a bit slow to figure out what that means. There are pretty obvious reason why the many many people who have gone through these situations cannot post exactly what took place. Let's just say that gov't officials really seem to take full advantage of the vagueness of it all :-)
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What you are saying is perfectly clear: that bribery allows one to get around the law.

It is a fact that bribes are sometimes required in India before you can get even that which is 100% legal.

It is never a completely safe way to go though.
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Is it just me, or has this guy just not understood anything anyone has written in the last twenty posts?.

Is he saying that a bribe can get you anything?.
Is he really saying that he doesn't understand the 180 day rule, and that it's not written down anywhere?.
Why would it be posted in a govt. office, when it's written clearly on every visa application form?.

Sorry, I just find it extraordinary that someone wouldn't be aware of it, and then think it would be easier to bribe someone than to go to another country to renew their visa.
What could possibly be worth the risk of being banned for years from coming back?.
I truly don't understand.
Could someone give me one good reason why anyone would need to break the law to stay longer than 6 months?.

Has this guy really not got the point about not needing to register if you are on a tourist visa?
You need to register if you are on a visa that is longer than 180 days.
This is NOT a ten year TOURIST visa, or a 180 day TOURIST visa, it is a BUSINESS visa or a STUDENT visa.
This is written clearly and obviously on EVERY visa application for India.
Whether it's in America or Finland or Zaire or Uzbekistan.
On every visa application for a TOURIST visa for India, it states the maximum stay is 180 days.
Failure to leave after 180 to go home, or to go to renew, may result in penalties.
Sheesh.

I can't see the ambiguity of that statement.
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No, it isn't just you --- but he has his personal situation sorted, so that's fine, and he says he's not going to post again.

...I guess that's fine too!

But, to be fair, every report adds to the collective experience, positive or negative.
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I know, sorry. I just feel sometimes that people rush in without the basics, like reading the rules.

They've just changed my medication, it seems to make me less tolerant.
And very stoned most of the time.
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Are you sure "they" changed it?

Or did you................?

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With a little "grease" it worked out predictably. 4 weeks that is amazing..
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Originally Posted by jackstrawdc View Post This is my last post on this subject. DZI, you DO NOT know what you are talking about or the way it really works here.
Oh, how so? You have been told to leave, haven't you? That's what you were told would happen, even though you seem to have gotten an unusually long time to do so - and the implication that you paid a bribe to get this result is pretty clear. What's more, for all we know, because you are being so cryptic, you may even have "invented" some other circumstance, like a bogus medical condition, to justify the length of time you requested. And, yes, I do understand that "the way it really works here" is often to pay a bribe. Newsflash: this is also a crime.

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Originally Posted by jackstrawdc View Post Exit visa extensions of over 4 weeks seem to be quite common. Mine was over 6 weeks.
If you are counting as part of your "extension" the time between the date when your 180 days lapsed and the date when you actually have to leave as part of the 6 weeks, then you weren't really given this as an "extension"; that was just a de facto part of your overstay. If you really were given 6 weeks to depart after the officials were on notice of your overstay, then that is actually unusual for someone on a tourist visa, and it does tend to support the inference drawn by several posters above, that some baksheesh was involved.

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Originally Posted by jackstrawdc View Post (I'm not sure if they were swayed by the fact that I was led astray by bad advice from Indian officials, or they just don't care. My sense it's the latter). There were a few other "nominal" fees involved... those weren't printed anywhere, but there appears to be a set price LOL.
The "set price" is printed on the "Official Bribe List" - What? They didn't give you a copy?

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Originally Posted by jackstrawdc View Post You will NOT go to jail for this. Is it possible? Of course! Anything's possible in India... but unless you have a pocketful of charas or have an LET card in ur wallet, you will be fine.
You didn't go to jail. But you are in no position to tell others, as a general rule, "you will be fine." I know of at least two individuals who were detained and jailed until the date of their departure and they had no contraband in their possession. Maybe they didn't even have enough money in their possession to pay a sufficiently large bribe - or maybe it never occurred to them to offer one.

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Originally Posted by jackstrawdc View Post Lastly, the 180 day rule is NOT clearly stated (notwithstanding some private company's website in the US). It seems clear that the rule exists... but you will not find it written or posted in any indian gov't office.
The "private company...in the U.S." happens to be the organization to which the Indian government officially outsources it's visa application process. And the same information appears on the websites of all the outsourcing companies the Indian government uses to process visa applications in other countries. And before the process was outsourced, the information was included on each Indian Embassy's/Consulate's website (although those websites now send you directly to the outsourcing companies' websites for the same information).

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Originally Posted by jackstrawdc View Post Again, this is my last posting on this issue. I have more to add, but unfortunately it can't be put in print. Some of the other posters were a bit slow to figure out what that means.
Yeah, we got it now: "Pay a bribe." Great advice! (Not.)
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Thank you dzibead for your last comment in the above post. I couldn't agree more. For those of us who prefer to do our Visas correctly and legally, without a hint of baksheesh or whatever, the time and effort you put into this Forum, with your clarifications are much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Aishah View Post For those of us who prefer to do our Visas correctly and legally, without a hint of baksheesh or whatever, the time and effort you put into this Forum, with your clarifications are much appreciated.
But not by jackstrawdc, apparently, who thinks I'm a bored lawyer with too much time on my hands. It seems he doesn't understand that the travel information offered on IndiaMike is not supposed to extend to advising people to break the law.

And see Nick's post #44 in this thread, above. Prescient, or what?
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It used to, as has been pointed out, be possible to lean on the good grace and discretionary powers of officials in certain areas, an get an extension, but because of this clandestine "plastic gangster" attitude and behavior, it is now a thing of the past.
I get the feeling that there are people out there for whom going to India is akin to going to the movies.
They can go out to the lobby, and they're suddenly back in their own country.!!
The shock comes when this doesn't happen.

Oh well, legal is legal.
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Originally Posted by johnny five View Post Are you sure "they" changed it?

Or did you................?

Naw, it was them. From 8am to noon I'm off with the pixies.
Pity I can't decant them for friends.
They're a bit strong, and may turn people into other animals.
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Originally Posted by dzibead View Post And see Nick's post #44 in this thread, above. Prescient, or what?








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