Uk citizen in Australia needs Indian PCC

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Help!

I need an Indian PCC for the time we spent in India, Bangalore. We are UK citizens living in Australia and applying for a permanent Australian visa. We are told by vfs (company that the manages all the PCC requirements for the Indian High Commission in Australia) we need a "verification" letter from the FRRO in Bangalore. The FRRO in Bangalore tell us they won't /don't do it, we need to ask the Indian High Commission in Australia!

Has anyone ever done this? Please help we are going in circles.....
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What is a PCC?
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Police Clearance Certificate
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Originally Posted by Sonial View Post Help!

I need an Indian PCC for the time we spent in India, Bangalore. We are UK citizens living in Australia and applying for a permanent Australian visa. We are told by vfs (company that the manages all the PCC requirements for the Indian High Commission in Australia) we need a "verification" letter from the FRRO in Bangalore. The FRRO in Bangalore tell us they won't /don't do it, we need to ask the Indian High Commission in Australia!

Has anyone ever done this? Please help we are going in circles.....
Please clarify why you are required to furnish a Police Clearance Certificate from India if you are applying for a 'permanent' Australian visa (is there such a thing, by the way?). Why do you need to approach VFS for an Australian visa?

Are you of Indian origin?
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When applying to stay permanently in Australia (hence permanent residency visa 186), regulations require we provide police checks for every country lived in for over 12 months in the last 10 years. We are uk ie British citizens who lived in Bangalore from April 2005- August 2007 ie over 12 months and within the last 10 years so we need a Police Clearance Certificate from India. We are currently based in South Australia so must apply through the vfs as this is the company who deals with PCCs here in Australia
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Thanks for the clarification.

Whilst you were in Bangalore for two years presumably you would have obtained a PCC when you applied for your stay at the Bangalore FRRO (Foreigners Regional Registration Office). The record would be at the local police station where you were staying. Could you approach them for a copy?

Alternatively approach the FRRO (Bangalore) for a copy of your registration.

Bangalore FRRO:
Shri Ganesh Kumar , FRRO Bangalore
5th Floor, 'A' Block, TTMC, BMTC Bus Stand Building, K.H. Road, Shantinagar, Bangalore - 560027
080-22218196, 080-22218195 frroblr-ka[at]nic[dot]in
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Angry

We have never needed a PCC before. I have emailed the FRRO and phoned them several times. I either get no reply ( from the email), or they say it has to be done in Australia or else they don't know what a verification letter is or what they are supposed to provide. It's a shambles!
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Try calling the number I had posted earlier:

+91.80.22218195 or +91.80.22218196

Did you try to send an email to <<frroblr-ka@nic.in>> mark it for the attention of the head, Mr. Ganesh Kumar

Frankly, the Australian guys are at fault. Ask them exactly what kind of retrospective nonsense they actually require and ask them what alternatives would suffice. Explain to them the problem with the Indian PCC. Did you get a PCC from the UK? How did you go about that?

You have not answered my earlier question. Are you or your hubby of Indian origin? Did you have a PIO/OCI card for India? What visa were you in India on? Employment/Tourist/Entry?

The more info you give the better someone may be able to advise you instead of giving advice on conjecture.
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No we are not of Indian origin.

We have never had to get PCC from uk or anywhere else.

We were in Indian for work, my husband was working there
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Originally Posted by Sonial View Post When applying to stay permanently in Australia (hence permanent residency visa 186), regulations require we provide police checks for every country lived in for over 12 months in the last 10 years...
You must have lived in the UK for over 12 months in the past 10 years. Why do the Australian visa people not require you to get a PCC from the UK and still insist on you getting one from India? You need to get the Australian babus (bureaucrats) to clarify what exactly it is that they want, and in what format.

From my experience foreign nationals, who are not of Indian origin, who come to India on an Employment visa are required to register themselves at the local police station within 14 days and using that record they have to register themselves at the FRRO. Your husband's company in Bangalore would have done this for him. Can you get in touch with your hubby's Bangalore office and see if they can give you a copy of their documentation.

I was hoping that some of the Australian members on IndiaMike would chip in, but it seems no one has come across this particular stupidity. That is why I am asking you to get in touch with the Oz babus and make sure you have not misunderstood the requirement.
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Thanks for your help so far. We require a police check from ALL countries we have lived in for the last 10 years. This is the UK, Australia and India. We already have the police checks from the UK and Australia, these came in a matter of days. As you know the Indian one is not that simple.

Yes, we did register with the Bangalore FRRO within 14 days of arriving in the country. The document was type written (not on a computer). The Bangalore FRRO has shifted premises twice since then, so who knows where or even if they had a copy of the document. Our FRRO document was handed in at the airport on our exit from India. The only evidence of our stay in Bangalore are the visa stamps in our passports.

My husband is trying to get in touch with his old work, but he hasn't been employed by them for a few years now, so I'm not sure how helpful they'll be.
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Originally Posted by Sonial View Post ... We require a police check from ALL countries we have lived in for the last 10 years. This is the UK, Australia and India. We already have the police checks from the UK and Australia, these came in a matter of days. As you know the Indian one is not that simple ...
That makes more sense. I was confused because earlier you had said:
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We have never had to get PCC from uk or anywhere else.
Your passport will have the reference number of the Indian FRRO registration. Use the address/numbers I posted above. They are the current ones. I think you will get more help from them than VFS or the Consulate in Australia. Try to speak directly with the officer in charge, Mr. Ganesh Kumar. It will help. The old employers may have a record somewhere so it is also worth a shot.
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As far as I know PCC for Indian citizens, OCIs and PIOs(who lived in India for any duration) is issued by Indian consulates but unsure about foreign citizens who lived in India on a temporary basis. What you first need to confirm with the Indian consulate in Australia is that the PCC is definitely issued by FRRO/Police station in India and not the consulate. Once that is confirmed, you need to go after the FRRO people. The reply from FRRO directing you to the consulate suggests they didn't understand your case properly. This does happen even with the MEA folks who don't read the query properly. You need to be very clear in your query/call that you are a FOREIGN citizen without PIO and OCI.
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I received a very clear message from the FRRO in Bangalore today stating they would not give a verification letter, that it is the Indian high commission in Australia. The Indian high commission outsource all their PCC functions to the vfs who state that the verification letter must be obtained from the FRRO. Again we are being led in circles. I can only assume neither know how to do this, since before 1/3/14 it stated on the vfs website that only indian nationals could get a PCC.

We do have Indian visa stamps in our passports but I'm not sure which of the numbers is the registration number of the FRRO in Bangalore. Do you know what the format would be?
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It would normally be a handwritten note in your passport in those days, with a reference number of your Registration Booklet which you surrendered when you left India.

Did the Bangalore FRRO send you the refusal in writing? If not get it in writing via email and take that to the VFS guys in Oz or to the closest Indian consulate. I would escalate it and somehow speak to a senior Consular official if you are far from Canberra. I sympathise with you but I have never heard of a retrospective PCC, and I think, by the sound of things, neither have the VFS or FRRO.

Finally, speak to the Australian Immigration department that requires this PCC and seek their advice about alternatives.

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