Process for Passport Change - Name and Address - After Marriage

#1 Aug 22nd, 2011, 02:46
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Hi,

Would appreciate if anyone can share their personal experience and/ or tips with regards to process to be followed to get name change and address change in passport of my wife after marriage.

To provide some background,
-Our marriage was in October 2010. From October 2010 she has been living at my address post marriage.
-Both of us are born and brought up in Mumbai and have all passports issued from Mumbai itself.
-Marriage certificate took some time but I have finally got the same with me last month.
-Currently my wife has passport/ PAN in her old name before marriage (ex Natasha Sharma)
-Her name post marriage will be Natasha Rohra, thus only her surname will change.
-My passport/ PAN/ Ration Card/ Voter ID are all upto date with current address and correct particulars.
-Post marriage my wife has no document which can be used as address proof i.e. driving license/ PAN/ Passport/ Bank accounts, etc are all in her pre marriage name.

Specifically, I would require guidance on the following points
1)Which Form is to be filled - Form 1 or Form 2? I assume Personal Particulars Form must be filled in either case.

2)If applying for my wife, is my passport enough as address proof? I do not have any other document in her post marriage name and plan on using the passport as proof of ID and Address proof to start all her new documentation i.e. PAN/ Bank Account/ Ration/ Voter ID/ UID

3)Is PAN card sufficient for Date of Birth proof or do I require Birth Certificate compulsorily?

4)Do I need to get my wife's name inserted as Spouse in my passport as a prerequisite for my passport to be used as her address proof or can it be done when it comes up for renewal later? (Validity is till 2016)

5)Do I need to fill multiple Personal Particular forms for the 2 months that she was staying at her address as per her current passport (pre marriage address)?

6)I have registered online and have received a specific date and time for a couple of days later - 23 August 12:45PM. Are the timings followed accurately? The site mentions no waiting if I reach at the correct time. What is the general experience of people who have registered online and gone without an agent.

7)As suggested, agents are useless to get the job done and needlessly ask for additional paperwork and documents for getting a simple process executed. Is Mumbai Passport Office geared to deal with applicants directly and not agents - what are the general views? Or do you feel it is better to have an agent do the work.

8)Finally, this is the list of documents and copies I understand I need to submit/ carry with me. Please feel free to add if any more are required or if I am required to keep any copies for Police Verification.

A) My passport (original to be carried)- 2 xerox copies of front 2 pages and last 2 pages (for submission/ my copy).

B) Form 1 duly filled in - 1 xerox copy for my records

C) Personal Particulars form for my wife's residence post marriage i.e. my current address only. (In Duplicate) - 1 set of xerox copies for my records.

D) Marriage Certificate (original to be carried) - 2 xerox copies duly notarised (for submission/ my copy)

E) Passport size photos (white background 3.5x3.5cm 70-80% face straight profile) - Will be carrying 8 along with me along with 3 stuck on Form 1 and Personal Particulars form.

Thanks in advance.

Appreciate all inputs.

PS: I have gone through the following links as a base for the process as I understand above,
http://passport.gov.in/
http://passport.gov.in/cpv/Instructions4.htm
http://passport.gov.in/cpv/Mislanious.html
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...sport-t114155/
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...sport-t120108/
#2 Aug 22nd, 2011, 03:09
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Edit: To confirm, I will obviously be carrying and submitting my wife's current passport. Will also be carrying along 2 copies of the same in case required for any reason.
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No replies?? 56 views and not a single reply.. Surprising..

Kindly reply with your views.
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You asked for it

What is this ancient and arcane fetish about name change ? Dont change her name, problem solved.

The intrinsic psychological need to change a human being's name achieves what exactly ? Except of course creating multitude of more forms and more paper-pushing babucrats.

See how simplified life will be without this name change Why dont you both change your last names ? See how difficult it will be for you to reconcile with your identity. You could even make money out of selecting a new last name - Have people vote on many sample names at 50 paisa per vote

There you go - You got my views on this topic.
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Hi,

I cannot answer the queries with respect to Mumbai passport office, but in general I think you have all the documents that are required for submitting the passport.

If it is going to be only name change and address addition in the existing passport there isn't any need for the online form entry. However, if you are applying for a passport renewal then all you need is proof that you are staying at this residence. As she is staying with you, you can say that she has no documents in her name. If she is working, you can probably get a letter from her HR saying that she has been staying in this address for X years.

I recently submitted my passport for renewal and the time is only a guidance and not strictly adhered to. I would suggest that you reach the passport office early to avoid rush. You need to have 2 copies of all documents mentioned with self attestation and carry the originals in case you are going to submit the forms personally. Marriage certificate is the key document for name change and as long as you have it, I don't see any issues in getting the name changed.
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Thanks Eshwaran. Your views are helpful. Appreciate it.
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In addition to all above documents,at the most at the time of Police verification they may ask her to have a affidavit on Rs.100/- bond.
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What is this ancient and arcane fetish about name change ? Dont change her name, problem solved.

The intrinsic psychological need to change a human being's name achieves what exactly ? Except of course creating multitude of more forms and more paper-pushing babucrats.

See how simplified life will be without this name change Why dont you both change your last names ? See how difficult it will be for you to reconcile with your identity. You could even make money out of selecting a new last name - Have people vote on many sample names at 50 paisa per vote

There you go - You got my views on this topic.
Sure you are entitled to your views. I would have preferred something on the lines of the questions I asked, but nevertheless your perspective is interesting.

I am not a believe in changing names for the sake of it - ours is a love marriage and my now-wife has always wanted to change her surname to reflect our union. Even though now it causes some additional paperwork, in the future I think it is more helpful ie when we have kids, for their birth certificate/ school/ Passport/ PAN. Rather than at every stage having to deal with giving proof of marriage in the first place, I can simplify the process later by having my wife's and my documentation ready and available.

Thats my view on the topic.
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Originally Posted by drpatils View Post In addition to all above documents,at the most at the time of Police verification they may ask her to have a affidavit on Rs.100/- bond.
From what I found out, that is required only if one is doing a name change for general purpose. Will let you know how it goes.
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Originally Posted by juzzvinay View Post Sure you are entitled to your views. I would have preferred something on the lines of the questions I asked, but nevertheless your perspective is interesting.

I am not a believe in changing names for the sake of it - ours is a love marriage and my now-wife has always wanted to change her surname to reflect our union. Even though now it causes some additional paperwork, in the future I think it is more helpful ie when we have kids, for their birth certificate/ school/ Passport/ PAN. Rather than at every stage having to deal with giving proof of marriage in the first place, I can simplify the process later by having my wife's and my documentation ready and available.

Thats my view on the topic.
A big % of Indians in the South do not follow the surname nomenclature. I know of many who did not have any problem getting Passport or school admissions for their kids. A good many of the people I know in India, have not complained either.
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Ahhh... views on the topic

I'd say that, if there is a fetish involved, it is with the passport, not the name change.

The name change is simply a matter of cultural norms and personal choice and is a question solely for the lady involved. If she wishes to be called Mrs Juzz the moment she leaves the marriage hall, then so be it. She doesn't need her passport changed to reflect that.

When dealing with officialdom, the passport plus marriage certificate should suffice --- but, of course, that means a second look, whilst having the endorsement on both passports is utterly straightforward.

Roughly translated, that amounts to my view being, It doesn't matter, at least until the passport is due for renewal anyway, but hey, why not!

My view on the practicalities (which is what the OP really wants, rather than a debate on what married women should be called ) is that I'd use an agent.

This is one of my exceptions to my general rule of leave out the middle man. A reputable travel agency with a good visa/passport service will only increase the cost by a small margin, and they will be very familiar with the required documents.
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Thanks Nick. Thats a good summary of the situation on hand.

I spoke to a couple of agents and their list of requirements made me honestly feel that I am moving a mountain - society letter, employment letter, 15 photos and all documents mentioned on the passport website - it was almost as if they were collecting my documents for safekeeping. Not one of them took the effort of understanding the case and saying ok this is what I need and thats it. It was more like "whatever documents you have or can get your hands on submit all to me with 5 copies".

To my mind, unless your documentation is way out of order and it would require at least 4-5 visits, only in that case does an agent make sense. For a simple case like mine, I feel it isnt required. Anyhow, will learn from experience and let everyone know the outcome.
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Goodness. I guess this must be one of those "ymmv" situations!

I do agree, that if you are confident that you have what you need, and you are happy to put in the legwork (in the queues) then, sure, do it yourself.

IIRC, my wife used an agent when she had to replace a lost passport, and it was complicated by a) changing the name she had formerly known as anyway (all that stuff she did herself), and b) adding me as spouse and, c) taktal application. Everything went smoothly.

Her original passport application, was a mess, entirely due to errors by the passport office (including describing her as male!!!) which they were very unwilling to put right properly.

No two experiences are the same!
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Originally Posted by juzzvinay View Post I am not a believe in changing names for the sake of it - ours is a love marriage and my now-wife has always wanted to change her surname to reflect our union. Even though now it causes some additional paperwork, in the future I think it is more helpful ie when we have kids, for their birth certificate/ school/ Passport/ PAN. Rather than at every stage having to deal with giving proof of marriage in the first place, I can simplify the process later by having my wife's and my documentation ready and available.

Thats my view on the topic.
Your wife is entitled to her views in this name change matter but your idea of how complicated/simple life will be once you have children if you have different/same last names is faulty.

Birth Certificate has nothing to do with your last name. the documentation required for BC doesnot include marriage certificate and there is no simplified/fast track process if you have same last names My son's birth certificate has my husband's and my name with different surnames. No one bothered about it in the hospital or in the e-seva centers.

I have plenty of friends who have admitted their kids in school(good ones) even though the parents have different last names. Nohere did they have to show extra documentation.

Same case with passport(or future visa applications). Complexities wont change whether last name is same or different.

It is absolutely ok if you and your wife decide on same last names but donot be under the assumption that it will simplify/complicate life for your kids .

Places which require proof of marriage will require proof of marriage irrespective of whether you have same or different last names.
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a dobble
... and some married women have both pre + post married surnames [ for eg. aruna gandhi hazare ] -
as do the children - both mother/father surnames !!

i know a southern family where man, woman, 2 kids have all different surnames !!!!




great post, nayan
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