PIO card and admission to heritage site

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From a BBC announcement in 2007, I understand that PIO cardholders along with the citizens of SAARC countries pay only Indian fees when entering Taj Mahal and such ASI sites.

Reference : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7098370.stm.

My question is; Has anyone really notice that a pio card holder who cannot be mistaken for an Indian citizen could pay the lower fee and enter those site.

Does anybody have a link or access to an official notification about it. I have a personal interest because cI will be visiting India in Dec 2008.

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Originally Posted by ksrao801 View Post From a BBC announcement in 2007, I understand that PIO cardholders along with the citizens of SAARC countries pay only Indian fees when entering Taj Mahal and such ASI sites.

Reference : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7098370.stm.

My question is; Has anyone really notice that a pio card holder who cannot be mistaken for an Indian citizen could pay the lower fee and enter those site.

Does anybody have a link or access to an official notification about it. I have a personal interest because cI will be visiting India in Dec 2008.

Rao
I believe this could be true, I pay the lower 'indian' fee at these places by showing my PAN registration card only, and there is no way I could be mistaken for an Indian
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Now what does the clerk (babu) understand.?
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Reduced ASI Entrance Fees for PIO card holders

Does anyone have any personal experience of an obvious foreigner holding a PIO card, claiming reduced entrance fees at ASI controlled monuments in India? Do you get charged the Indian rate or does your PIO card get ignored and are you made to pay the regular foreigner rate?
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Originally Posted by charsobees View Post Does anyone have any personal experience of an obvious foreigner holding a PIO card, claiming reduced entrance fees at ASI controlled monuments in India? Do you get charged the Indian rate or does your PIO card get ignored and are you made to pay the regular foreigner rate?
Card gets you bupkiss ! Maybe resident document (whatever it means) might have more traction !
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Depends on the ticket seller. There are no rules regarding identification documents. Some ticket sellers, notably in Delhi, will take your word at face value. Others, notably in Agra, won't be satisfied with anything short of passport or voter card.
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There are rules, and they state "Indian citizen." dig (deep) and you can find the Act online.

Of course, it predates pio, oci, etc, but nobody thought of mentioning parity in this respect when they were drawn up.

RP? Less bupkiss than a PIO, and, anyway, card holders don't have to register any longer, so we won't be getting one. But, again, the act says citizen, not resident. I suppose, next time I could try with my aardvaark card.

If a couple off million Indian-origin Americans take this up with mr Modi, something might happen.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post If a couple off million Indian-origin Americans take this up with mr Modi, something might happen.
Pay the freight ! Is what I'd tell them cheapskates !
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Okay, so there is a rule and PIO isn't in the list of those pay Rs.5 or 10.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post There are rules, and they state "Indian citizen." dig (deep) and you can find the Act online.

Of course, it predates pio, oci, etc, but nobody thought of mentioning parity in this respect when they were drawn up.
The provisions governing the OCI and PIO Card schemes state that card holders generally enjoy parity with Non resident Indians, except with reference to political activities and the purchase of agricultural land. So I would have thought that any references to Indian citizens (whether or not they predate the introduction of these schemes) should where appropriate be construed to include OCI and PIO Card holders. Whether officials on the ground are aware of these entitlements, or even the existence of OCI and PIO Cards is of course a separate question.
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As they say in Brooklynese wouldacouldashoulda !!! Welfare queens and Olivers ! What's the harm payin few extra bucks ! Majority of OCI holders look, smell, and feel desis (okay maybe not smell) they can cheat their way in. Many do! But tough luck for sliver of PIOs who happen not to be round-eyes

She can wear a Clive Christian on her body, but has a cow paying Starbucks worth of entry fees !
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Actually, OCI's do pay the same as citizens of India. That's what the rules say.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post As they say in Brooklynese wouldacouldashoulda !!! Welfare queens and Olivers ! What's the harm payin few extra bucks !

Majority of OCI holders look, smell, and feel desis (okay maybe not smell) they can cheat their way in. Many do! But tough luck for sliver of PIOs who happen not to be round-eyes
Do they also say Obama cannot be president because he doesn’t look like an American?

There are at least three serious points that this thread implicitly touches on
(1) Government officials should follow the rules.
(2) Delivery of services should not depend on the spontaneous anthropological judgements of officialdom.
(3) The ASI could be better managed in a number of respects, including its pricing policies.

There is a lot that could be said on all of these, beyond the scope of this thread.
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Yes, it is a truism that the ASI ticketing system promotes and encourages racism, but Indians have no incentive to do better (we pay the lower price, right?), or don't care enough to do so, and foreign citizens have no legal standing to bring about changes. I don't see that this situation is ever going to change.
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Originally Posted by Rob B View Post Do they also say Obama cannot be president because he doesn’t look like an American?

There are at least three serious points that this thread implicitly touches on
(1) Government officials should follow the rules.
(2) Delivery of services should not depend on the spontaneous anthropological judgements of officialdom.
(3) The ASI could be better managed in a number of respects, including its pricing policies.

There is a lot that could be said on all of these, beyond the scope of this thread.
Obama is the President twice over, what has that got to do with price of pyaz in Jhumritaliya ? BTW, Obama gets free entrances than OCI are whining, maybe the officialdom should charge him the non-citizen price

There is more than one court case that says an OCI apart from things outlined in the card, cannot have parity with Indian Citizens. Thus an OCI (or PIO) cannot get same preference as and Indian citizen in representation. .

In the realm of Sports, and I think practice of medicine and other fields an OCI cannot be considered equal as per court cases that I was made aware of.
I'm sure there are a couple of more cases than have outlined and restricted what a OCI holder thinks she or he is able to get away with ! Plain and simple

Apart from what my OCI booklet says, my mooching off, and crying that some paragraph says parity, is morally corrupt in action and spirit !
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