Last Day to Convert PIO to OCI?

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#241 Mar 18th, 2017, 12:01
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On a related note, I traveled from India to Dubai and back in February 2017 with my PIO. No questions asked on the way out. On the way in, the passport control officer just told me that it would be good to convert my PIO to OCI, I told him it was in process and that was it. This was in Bangalore airport.
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Thank you, flucie! Very informative. I recently completed my PIO to OCI conversion, but it was simpler. I did it in the US, which is both the country of my citizenship and where I got the PIO from, so it was pretty simple. I didn't have to submit as many documents as you did, but did have to provide an affidavit signed by spouse and self.
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I am also 100% sure that getting the OCI would have been way easier had I still lived in Dubai. Obtaining the PIO at the India consulate in Dubai was a piece of cake. The process was very clear, nobody asked for unnecessary documents and it was completed in a few days. Paperwork in India is just another dimension!
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The June 30 2017 deadline to convert PIOs to OCIs is approaching fast. I wonder whether they'll extend it as usual this time. I have a feeling that they won't.

The process of converting from a PIO to OCI seems more convoluted than applying for a first OCI, supported by all the evidence, here in the UK. I guess I'll find out the reality when I apply for my first OCI end-2017. Glad you're sorted, flucie, and you too, NonIndianResident!
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Originally Posted by ViShVa View Post The June 30 2017 deadline to convert PIOs to OCIs is approaching fast. I wonder whether they'll extend it as usual this time. I have a feeling that they won't.

The process of converting from a PIO to OCI seems more convoluted than applying for a first OCI, supported by all the evidence, here in the UK. I guess I'll find out the reality when I apply for my first OCI end-2017. Glad you're sorted, flucie, and you too, NonIndianResident!
Why wait? Apply soon as it could take upto a year for it to come through.
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Naah. I need to make a trip before. My Bombay apartment misses me.

I will be a reluctant OCI applicant. But it seems to me that, presently, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I have fared well with my 5-Year multi-entry Long Term 'X' Visas, so far. Mine expires end-2017.

A fresh OCI application (with supporting evidence) should take less than 3-months from the UK. But this is OT (off-topic).
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Originally Posted by ViShVa View Post A fresh application (with supporting evidence) should take less than 3-months from the UK. But this is OT (off-topic).


London resident (elderly) - From start to finish 44 days in 2017.
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Originally Posted by ViShVa View Post Naah. I need to make a trip before. My Bombay apartment misses me.

I will be a reluctant OCI applicant. But it seems to me that, presently, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I have fared well with my 5-Year multi-entry Long Term 'X' Visas, so far. Mine expires end-2017.

A fresh OCI application (with supporting evidence) should take less than 3-months from the UK. But this is OT (off-topic).
You can apply and still make that trip to India. It is not that they need your passport or have any impact on your X visa.
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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post You can apply and still make that trip to India. It is not that they need your passport or have any impact on your X visa.
Check with the consulate, because some require you to send in your passport. For my PIO to OCI conversion in New York, I had to upload all the documents, and then finally send in my passport and PIO card, and wait till they came back. The New York consulate's website said it's only 10 days if you originally got the PIO card from the New York consulate. Well, it took 3 weeks but I was satisfied.

If you're happy with your X visa for the time being and need to use your passport in the next month or two, it sounds good to wait on the OCI application. The June 30 deadline is for free conversion, as I understand it. I don't think they'll make it impossible, they'll just impose a fee. (I think!)
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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post You can apply and still make that trip to India. It is not that they need your passport or have any impact on your X visa.
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Originally Posted by NonIndianResident View Post Check with the consulate, because some require you to send in your passport. For my PIO to OCI conversion in New York, I had to upload all the documents, and then finally send in my passport and PIO card, and wait till they came back. The New York consulate's website said it's only 10 days if you originally got the PIO card from the New York consulate. Well, it took 3 weeks but I was satisfied.
Contextually, in this case, V happens to live in London, and given that OCI has done away with U visa sticker; he need not mail in his passport. He can walk into the outsourcer's office, show his passport, and collect the OCI booklet (this procedure was good as of late Feb '17)

As to the deadline - Dropdead would be when ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) says MRTD (Machine Readable Travel Document) have to become compliant. In simple procedural terms, no travel document (Passport, Visa, or PIO, Carto, Celuda....) would be hand written, which many a PIOs were.
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Originally Posted by flucie View Post I am also 100% sure that getting the OCI would have been way easier had I still lived in Dubai. Obtaining the PIO at the India consulate in Dubai was a piece of cake. The process was very clear, nobody asked for unnecessary documents and it was completed in a few days. Paperwork in India is just another dimension!
I applied for an OCI card (not the conversion from PIO) on the 30th of April 2016 in Dubai and I am still waiting ... I had to apply again with all the papers and photos three weeks back (after they called) and go there a second time. Not really a piece of cake. Still waiting. No status online either.
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I've been to hci London, they say;

Pio is subject to reasssment in transfer to oci

Birth in India doesn't count - unless between 1955 and 1985 otherwise you need proof of Indianness. So a birth certificate doesn't matter.

British empire passports must say Indian by birth.

On the plus side; they say i don't have to surrender my pio and if i get a Nativity certificate it can be done.

I don't get it, the rules on forms say different - that if you were born there before 1947 you were eligible.

And they claim there are Indian empire passports which say "Indian" and that she sees them often. That all Indians were not British after 1858 proclamation of Victoria, they had a choice. That being of eventual European ish origin means not of Indian origin.

Her line is "i was born in Spain, doesn't mean I'm Spanish", but that's silly, each country has their own rules. And I'm trying to do something according to the rules of India.

Their end opinion is; "no, we won't give you oci. If you won't surrender pio, we won't do anything about it, if you get a Nativity certificate you can get the oci, if you want we will give you a five year visa".

Maybe i should have been more on the ball, but i went to open day for high commissioner and still just spoke to visa department. What to do? There are published rules - and there is what there is
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Originally Posted by ViShVa View Post Naah. I need to make a trip before. My Bombay apartment misses me.

A fresh OCI application (with supporting evidence) should take less than 3-months from the UK. But this is OT (off-topic).
That’s very unnecessary, a self-imposed torture you are living with ,Indian bureaucracy isn’t dictating that.

Just go ahead and apply right away and submit your passport along with the required rest of the documentation. When you need to travel out of country just go to the consulate a day or two before departure date and collect your passport from the consulate, complete your trip and upon return give it back to the consulate to finish the OCI process. The OCI process goes on uninterrupted as if nothing happened. Neither there will be a potential complication of termination of application process nor there will be any delay/ pause to suffer from. That’s my personal experience I share with you here, we did the exact same thing a couple of years ago in an identical setting. I called the Chicago consulate and asked them to send the passport for our trip and they promptly mailed it the very same day. Did n’t have to pay a dime extra for returning the passport after the trip.
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Sorry Surya, but that's completely unnecessary...

My wife and I went through OCI process in the US. The submission of passport was not necessary until the very end of the process. We had to submit it when the OCI had been approved - and the time the passport was away was 5 days (including the transit). So, this whole business of submitting and collecting the passport during the OCI process does not match our experience.

Also, if the OCI comes through while you are traveling, it will just wait. We were in India while we received the notification of its approval. We submitted the passport 3 weeks later and got the passport + OCI back in 5 days...
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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post Sorry Surya, but that's completely unnecessary...

My wife and I went through OCI process in the US. The submission of passport was not necessary until the very end of the process. We had to submit it when the OCI had been approved - and the time the passport was away was 5 days (including the transit). So, this whole business of submitting and collecting the passport during the OCI process does not match our experience.

Also, if the OCI comes through while you are traveling, it will just wait. We were in India while we received the notification of its approval. We submitted the passport 3 weeks later and got the passport + OCI back in 5 days...
More encouragement to Vishva then. Yes, your post jolted me out of my slumber now. The application I was alluding to was a RENEWAL of an existing OCI for my daughter. She had received a new passport and her infant face on the OCI wouldn’t match with the teen face on her new passport anymore. Those are the times the Passports must also mandatorily have an OCI sticker on them. The consulate told us to send both the passports, photos and the OCI booklet, which I did. They held the passports for about a month or so. Then we had to travel out of the country at which time I called the consulate and asked them to return the passports.
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