5 and 10 year Visa For US Citizen

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Is a 5 or 10 year visa only valid for that amount of time or does it mean you can stay in the country for long as long as the visa is valid?? I am asking because I am thinking about moving to India but not sure what visa to use because I will not be working because I get disability income.
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Originally Posted by SultanaMidnight View Post Is a 5 or 10 year visa only valid for that amount of time or does it mean you can stay in the country for long as long as the visa is valid?? I am asking because I am thinking about moving to India but not sure what visa to use because I will not be working because I get disability income.
Sorry, but moving to India in your circumstances is simply not possible.

Maximum length of any one stay on a tourist visa is 180 days, irrespective of the length of the visa. A tourist visa is issued for the purpose of tourism ie holidays, not for living somewhere. After that 180 days you must leave India and cannot return for two months.

India is clamping down on the misuse and abuse of these generous tourist visas, see the MHA Tourist Visa FAQ in my sig line for details.

The bottom line is that India does not allow people to simply live there because they want to, any more than the US or UK allows people to just decide to live there because they want to.
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The advantage of the longer term validity visa is that the length you can stay starts on arrival not issue so you do get the full 180 days (and its quite convenient)..
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Originally Posted by Haylo View Post Sorry, but moving to India in your circumstances is simply not possible.
I beg to differ, not with the facts, but the conclusion. You ARE "allowed" to move to India, given the time frames you cite. Whether or not it is intended that way, or you think it should be possible - it is both possible and legal per the visa.

If you prefer different language, call it "staying in India for six months out of eight" rather than "living" there.
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Sure, as things stand at the moment you can spend six out of every eight months in India. Nothing absolute or guaranteed about this, though. Indian immigration control has been very easy going in the past; every indication (including this two-month thing) is that it is tightening up. Repeated tourist-visa returns after a minimum or nominal amount of time out of the country is quite likely, sometime in the future, to result in being turned away, just as it is very likely to where my mother country, and probably yours too, is concerned.

One could say, get it while its going. The message is to be careful how much one invests in a life in another country, when one might, at some time, be refused entry to that country. As long as the risk is recognised, and allowed for... fine; enjoy!

Most people would include rather more permanence and reliability in their definition of "moving to" --- yours obviously differs.
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Originally Posted by mrdavemo View Post If you prefer different language, call it "staying in India for six months out of eight" rather than "living" there.
As I made clear, you can visit India for 180 days on a tourist visa. That is not "moving to India" in anyone's language.

When someone on disability who cannot work talks about "moving to India", it is a pretty safe assumption that they are not expecting to fly over there for only 180 days and then go and live somewhere else for two months before returning "home" to India.
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To add, the having to be out for two months (or whatever, and it all seems to be greatly in flux still, and may depend on your nationality and blah blah) is a relatively new development.

Even before that however, for those few nationalities eligible for a longer tourist visa (than the standard 180 days -- some get far shorter), it would mean you could only stay for 180 days at any one time. The big difference was hopping over the border and re-entering to start your next 180 days wasn't said to be a problem, nor did it involve getting an entirely new tourist visa.

Either way, it never allowed you to stay beyond that.

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Originally Posted by mrdavemo View Post I beg to differ, not with the facts, but the conclusion. You ARE "allowed" to move to India, given the time frames you cite. Whether or not it is intended that way, or you think it should be possible - it is both possible and legal per the visa.

If you prefer different language, call it "staying in India for six months out of eight" rather than "living" there.
Please, this site has existed since 2001 or so. It has over the course of time built up quite a reputation at offering good advice on these issues. Discussions on such go on on about a daily basis.

Feel free to contribute; but what you said just now is both incomplete and ill-informed. It is just wrong, and won't help anyone being confused about it.
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Hi there.

What happens if one stays past the 180 period ?
For instance on a five year tourist visa a person stays inside India continuously for 2-3 years.
I've heard stories of people actually managing to register on a long term tourist visa, surely
at fro's incompetent grace.
The visas state non extendible and that you have to register if you stay more than 180 days. I know that this doesn't apply for tourist visas.
But what if they register your tourist visa ?
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Originally Posted by manhattan View Post What happens if one stays past the 180 period ? For instance on a five year tourist visa a person stays inside India continuously for 2-3 years.
As with anything in India, certainty about the penalties is tough, but fines, imprisonment, expulsion from the country, blocked from entering India again for years or forever would be a good start.
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I've heard stories of people actually managing to register on a long term tourist visa, surely at fro's incompetent grace.
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But what if they register your tourist visa ?
You'll find cases of it happening, but it doesn't in any way change your visa status. Some small-town FRO may register someone out of ignorance, but that will be meaningless to the immigration officer at the airport or border when you do try and leave.
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Originally Posted by manhattan View Post But what if they register your tourist visa ?
They are not registering your tourist visa, they are registering your presence as a foreigner in their area.

Having a registration certificate will not cut any ice whatsoever with the immigration officials when you try to leave India, it is irrelevant to the fact that you have overstayed your visa and have been living as an illegal immigrant in India.
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This is all breaking my heart! I was in Dharamsala in 1964. Now I am in my 60s and want to go back to die. It is the only place one can be recycled e.g. fed to the vultures. The problem is, if a foreignor cannot live in India it is a bit hard to judge exactly when one is going to die.
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The West has several perfectly good forms of body recycling. Being buried is one of the oldest. Choose a cardboard coffin to speed up the process, and save your relatives money.
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Originally Posted by Bina BB View Post Now I am in my 60s and want to go back to die. It is the only place one can be recycled e.g. fed to the vultures.
India does not have a death visa; offhand I cannot think of any country in the world which recognises "wanting to die there" as grounds for obtaining a visa.

Besides, you have left it too late. While being eaten by vultures was a method of disposal still used by the Parsi community when you visited in the 1960s, very few of even the local Parsi communities are now able to have their bodies eaten by vultures on the towers of silence. Sadly, Indian vultures are now virtually extinct.
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Cremation and have your ashes shipped to the chosen spot, that was my mother's choice. Sent to paradise (Texas) for eternity..
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Haylo, it's said to be a Tibetan (- Buddhist) way of disposal, too (known as "sky burial," I think. It is assumed it had to do with the local lack of firewood.)

But I believe they're running into the same trouble with lacking fauna these days, yes.

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