$250 penalty for renunciation - an extortion!

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#46 Apr 26th, 2011, 05:43
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kool407, I would suggest to hold off on the ren.cert, if you already have a visa or OCI. The penalty was not publicized nor was a deadline published in the June 2010 announcement by Mr. Dayal. Here is the link: http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/j...-community.htm. So, there "could" be an amendment to this rule is my optimistic thinking. I am holding off, coz you dont need a ren. cert to travel to India yet.
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Originally Posted by rajvidya View Post I am holding off, coz you dont need a ren. cert to travel to India yet.
You will never need anything other than a passport with valid visa to travel to India. You only need those certs to get consular services from missions abroad.
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Well, you never know with the "tuglaks ruling India"; just like this new $250 penalty, the Indian Govt. could introduce some odd rule everyday. Anyway.
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let me know what happened with your letter to consulate?

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Angry Unfair and poorly framed (San Francisco Consulate)

I had submitted the renunciation form each time I applied for visa in the past 4 years. They never stamped my Indian passport or never gave me the surrender certificate. First of all, Indian consulate would never issue Entry visa without submitting the renunciation form. In spite of submitting the form each time, now, when applying for visa, they ask me to pay the penalty. The only reason for this is that I don't have stamped passport or don't have the surrender certificate.

What fault is on my side here? except for the poorly written rule? Shouldn't the consulate have my earlier renunciation forms in their record?

I tried to talk to travisa, but in vain. Tried to call the consulate in San Francisco, and there is no way to reach anyone. Sent an email, no luck either.

Absurd and illogical rule, and people are stonewalled to pay the penalty.
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Originally Posted by venkatk View Post I had submitted the renunciation form each time I applied for visa in the past 4 years. They never stamped my Indian passport or never gave me the surrender certificate. First of all, Indian consulate would never issue Entry visa without submitting the renunciation form. In spite of submitting the form each time, now, when applying for visa, they ask me to pay the penalty. The only reason for this is that I don't have stamped passport or don't have the surrender certificate.

What fault is on my side here? except for the poorly written rule? Shouldn't the consulate have my earlier renunciation forms in their record?

I tried to talk to travisa, but in vain. Tried to call the consulate in San Francisco, and there is no way to reach anyone. Sent an email, no luck either.

Absurd and illogical rule, and people are stonewalled to pay the penalty.


The renunciation form/surrender certificate is about two years old, so I do not understand what forms you sent in '08 & '09 ? Did they each time return your Indian passport back ? In the '80s as a performa, Indian consulates stamped canceled with notations - gratis.

Why did you apply for a visa every year ? US Passport holders got 10 year Tourist Visa.

I vaguely remember, a $20-$25 fees was charged of people who had relinquished their citizenship before a certain date, but had no cancelled old Indian passport.
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Not sure when the requirement for "declaration of renunciation of citizenship" started, but the point is that I had submitted it before.

Regarding visa, I always tried to get entry visa for 6 months-1 year, and was planning to get OCI card. Now I have to put up with these illogically framed rules.
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Originally Posted by venkatk View Post Not sure when the requirement for "declaration of renunciation of citizenship" started, but the point is that I had submitted it before.

Regarding visa, I always tried to get entry visa for 6 months-1 year, and was planning to get OCI card. Now I have to put up with these illogically framed rules.
When did you get your US Passport ? I do not see it as illogical, just inconvenient to newcomers Since you only applied every time, every year for 6month-1year Visa you were procrastinating.

Visa has been outsourced for past 3, maybe 4 years. OCI has also been outsourced since last year. Devil is in the Details & Devils are playing Flyers
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Cancelled Stamp

I have a "Cancelled" Stamp on my Indian passport. It was cancelled when I got my OCI in 2006. Looks like even this is not enough - it needs to say Cancelled due to acquiring U.S. nationality. Can anyone comment?

I am ok with applying for renunciation, but I have this problem:

The flowchart

http://indiavisa.travisaoutsourcing...._flowchart.png

says if I have a Cancelled stamp, then I don't need to pay any penalty (for passports expiring after 2005). But the flow chart

http://indiavisa.travisaoutsourcing...._flowchart.pdf

makes no such exception.

When I tried to fill in application form for renunciation, it added the $250 penalty. There is no question whether I already have a cancelled stamp!

Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by kpotti View Post I have a "Cancelled" Stamp on my Indian passport. It was cancelled when I got my OCI in 2006.


Any suggestions? Thanks!
I do not understand why you need a ren.cert ? You have a OCI which is life time entry into India (except you have to re-up after you turn 50, and have a passport renewal)
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post I do not understand why you need a ren.cert ? You have a OCI which is life time entry into India (except you have to re-up after you turn 50, and have a passport renewal)
I need to renew my daughter's OCI. She is U.S. born, and was issued OCI soon after she was born in 2008. Now I am preparing to renew the passport, and for anyone less than 20 yrs old, the OCI needs to be renewed when a new passport is issued. For OCI renewal of minors, I need to give proof that I renounced Indian Citizenship - either renunciation certificate or a passport with a stamp that says "cancelled due to acquiring U.S. nationality". Unfortunately both my wife's and my passports just say "Cancelled"

Thanks for the reply.
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Originally Posted by kpotti View Post I need to renew my daughter's OCI. She is U.S. born, and was issued OCI soon after she was born in 2008.
Got it !
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Originally Posted by kpotti View Post I have a "Cancelled" Stamp on my Indian passport. It was cancelled when I got my OCI in 2006. Looks like even this is not enough - it needs to say Cancelled due to acquiring U.S. nationality. Can anyone comment?

When I tried to fill in application form for renunciation, it added the $250 penalty. There is no question whether I already have a cancelled stamp!

Any suggestions? Thanks!
I just encountered the same issue for my daughter's OCI Re-issue on new US Passport.
Got US citizenship in 4/2003
Got OCI in 10/2008 with Indian Passport have "Cancelled" Stamp
Indian Passport Expired in 6/2011

So when I tried to complete the Travisa renunciation order form today,
they slapped the $250 Penalty - even if my Passport have "Cancelled" Stamp and my Naturalization date is way back in 2003!

So, kpotti, what did you do?
Paid that $250?

The cream of India who gets those IFS/IAS positions come with these
Archaic rules from their so called "Super Brains"

Enough said!

If anyone can share their recent experience how to avoid this fee, is greatly appreciated!
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Imhelp,
'Naturalized before June 1, 2010: $25.00 renunciation fee' seems to be the right amount, your naturalization seems to be good for the $25.
Call Trivisa and talk to them, I had my surrender certificate issued in 2011, and have naturalized prior to 2010.
The moral of the story is get the surrender certificate and use it as a bible, print as many copies, put in your safe, in your secret hide out place and so on.
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Indian goverment is crazy

I can travel all over the Europe on US passport without any visa. Indian goverment wants visa fee and new renunciation fee. They are stupid. This is exactly an extortion fee for people who want to see their family and relative.
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