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We did that yesterday.
That would be the ninth day of Navaratri: Vijyadashimi is on the day following navaratri.
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Originally Posted by nayan View Post That's interesting. Viswakarma puja is celebrated in Bengal in mid September. Its a must do for all enterprises remotely connected to engineering - from huge iron and steel plants to your neighborhood lathe machine workshop or car repair shed.
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is it called Ayudha Puja? We used to do it for our scooters in school days.

Some mythological trivia here. It was the time when Rama was camping in (Sri) Lanka with his large vanara sena (army of monkeys) and already had declared war on Ravana, the war is about to begin in a few days time. Vijaya dashami falls in that peaceful interval time. He couldn’t find a pujari in Lanka to perform puja for him and it appears the only knowledgeable one available was none other than Ravana himself. Having no other option left Rama sends a request to Ravana and gracefully the tenheaded demon, a brahmain, accepts the request and performs puja for the victory of Rama. The rest is history as they say..

Happy Dasara to you all.
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Since we're going the trivia route instead of the photo route here's a bit about Ravan from different trips / hearsay / hand me down -

In the Jain version of the Ramayan, the positive aspects of Ravan are dealt with, in great detail - especially his command over languages and his knowledge of the vedas and the puranas. The ten heads are of course mythical (all characters in this version are mortal) and they first represent a veda or a purana each but then later, represent a vice (as in post #2). My aunt told me this, so this must be true.

The Kanyakubja brahmins of UP and MP trace their ancestry to Ravan. (This was told to me by a smashingly good looking girl, herself a kanyakubja brahmin, that they do not worship ram on dussehra and instead perform an aarti to ravan so it must be true, as well).
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Originally Posted by surya2015 View Post is it called Ayudha Puja? We used to do it for our scooters in school days.
No Vishwakarma puja is just Vishwakarma puja.
Ayudha puja is on ashtami or navami of navaratri/durgapuja.

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Some mythological trivia here. It was the time when Rama was camping in (Sri) Lanka with his large vanara sena (army of monkeys) and already had declared war on Ravana, the war is about to begin in a few days time. Vijaya dashami falls in that peaceful interval time. He couldn’t find a pujari in Lanka to perform puja for him and it appears the only knowledgeable one available was none other than Ravana himself. Having no other option left Rama sends a request to Ravana and gracefully the tenheaded demon, a brahmain, accepts the request and performs puja for the victory of Rama. The rest is history as they say..

Happy Dasara to you all.
Our mythology is different.
War was already on and inspite of heavy losses no side could make much progress. As Rama was the invader he had to attain a quick victory. Ravana, in his own territory, could have endured far more attrition than Rama.

In desperation Rama asked for divine help. He worshiped his deity Shiva who told him victory was only granted by the goddess. But there was one problem. The season of worship of the goddess was not Autumn. It was spring. Rama decided to go for untimely/unusual worship(akalbodhan).

He followed all the rules of worship strictly(durga puja has very elaborate rules - much more than any other puja).

In the juncture when ashtami turns to navami, the goddess has to be worshiped with 108 lotuses(among other things). When that time came Rama could only find 107 lotuses. He was sure he had himself counted 108 earlier in the day. So someone must have done him a mischief. Anyway, there was no time to investigate. For now, another lotus somehow had to be found and the puja completed in the narrow window of time.

Everyone had always praised the beauty of Rama's eyes. They were said to be like blue lotus. Rama decided to gouge out an eye of his and offer it in lieu of the 108th lotus.

Just at the moment he was going to pluck his eye out with his arrow, the goddess appeared with the missing lotus in her hand. She had been testing his resolve. After all, she cannot give the boon of victory to the underserving.

Satisfied with Rama, she blessed him with victory.(this moment is worshipped as Sandhi puja - when ashtami turns to navami)

The next two days(navami and dashami) were the days of direct battle between Rama and Ravana.

Finally towards the end of dashami, Rama kills Ravana and emerges victorious. Thus Vijaya dashami.
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Originally Posted by nayan View Post No Vishwakarma puja is just Vishwakarma puja.
Ayudha puja is on ashtami or navami of navaratri/durgapuja.
Our mythology is different.
War was already on and inspite of heavy losses no side could make much progress. As Rama was the invader he had to attain a quick victory. Ravana, in his own territory, could have endured far more attrition than Rama.......................... .Finally towards the end of dashami, Rama kills Ravana and emerges victorious Thus Vijaya dashami.
There are no “our” and “your” mythologies, Iam afraid; there got to be only one out there. So therefore what you wrote must have been closer to that described in the epics, for what all I said was from my middle school days of reading. The memory is very woolly and patchy now. . Thanks for the robust clarification and setting the record straight for all the readers.

But then I do remember reading somewhere Ravana performing a puja for Rama, with mythohistorians heaping praise on Ravana Brahma for his generous gesture, obviously I need to do some research on this. Could there be a different (first) puja sometime before the commencement of the war that had taken place? And what you wrote above was a second puja that was performed during the days of actual war itself. As I said need some more reading to do. If I find something will get back here.
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There are tens of versions
In the epics themselves there are different narrations - depending on who is the narrator.
Every purana has a different version. And then there is folklore.

The story I narrated is the most accepted one for the bengali durga puja.
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Originally Posted by nayan View Post There are tens of versions
In the epics themselves there are different narrations - depending on who is the narrator.Every purana has a different version. And then there is folklore.The story I narrated is the most accepted one for the bengali durga puja.
i think you are right, some mythologies are more or less folklore which are called as 'puranas', again they (the puranas) fall under a broader classification of 'Smritis'. In importance smritis are ranked way below the 'sruthis'.Puranas allow lot of flexibility.

The 'sruthis' like the 'Prasthana Tria' (the principal triad), written in sanskrit, on the other hand have a somewhat less variability:upanishads, Gita and Brahma sutras. With the epics falling somewhere in between. Again, of the two epics, Ramayana has many versions altogether and mahabharata less so.

The sruthis make the most important canonical texts recommended for the devout to study.
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