configuring broadband/PC power protection/cable-satellite TV in India...

Aishah · Jan 23rd, 2008, 08:39

LOL, Nick - I'm getting ready for Delhi today (Meet UP om 25th), so Broadband on hold unless this guy turns up. Since I'm taking my laptop with me it will be a few days before I get back to this Thread. If I find a 'window of opportunity' (think that's the jargon!) I might try ethernet business today and see how we go...

Dilliwala · Jan 23rd, 2008, 12:14

Bring the cable and router along and let bb hook em up. U have NO idea what a favour u'll be doing him!

brownboy66 · Jan 23rd, 2008, 14:49

Aishah · Jan 23rd, 2008, 16:09

Well, managed to set it all up this afternoon but no good news. What I thought was the extra cable (ethernet) wasn't - it was the telephone line from modem to splitter! Shows you how naive I am. So if I pick up an ethernet cable maybe there is some chance. But it will have to wait now another 5 days, unless this man turns up like a miracle. I don't have user name to log on via USB; and a funny thing is, the CD program for ADSL Modem has gone off from my computer - it was in Programs and when I looked just now is no longer there. No icon on desktop for it either. Does this mean BSNL have deleted it via internet when I have been online?

Aishah · Jan 23rd, 2008, 16:42

Well this is rather embarassing! I found the ethernet cable - thought I had it - under the table.. so now connected and it is saying I have 'Local Area Connection" and speed is 100Mbps, now I'm testing and if this goes my Broadband is working!!!It is incredibly slow so definitely not correct.. I shall disconnect and put back the GPRS. Something is not right.
First tried dial-up but that is not getting through, so my guess is maybe the local server is down. I will try later again tonight. Does this look like I'm working - I have the computer flashing icon on the bottom of my computer - and I get a small window when I put the cursor on it which comes up say Local Area Connection. As I said no speed - what should the speed be?

Answering this myself, first of all found out there is an electricity failure and all internets are out in the city - so maybe I will be working later. My nephew's friend tells me this is only indicative of the cable and doesn't mean I am on internet (what I wrote before). Guess waiting .. is the answer!!

machadinha · Jan 23rd, 2008, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aishah

now connected and it is saying I have 'Local Area Connection" and speed is 100Mbps

If I'm not mistaken this is your computer speaking to your modem (er, router

Should be faster than your internet connection actually I believe, not slower [?] * *Bling*: 100 Mbps [megabits per second] is a lot faster, I recently made the same mistake checking something on my system. It's just your [potential] speed of internal communication to yourself or something I think, it doesn't refer to your internet connection speed.)

Quote:

Does this mean BSNL have deleted it via internet when I have been online?

Rather unlikely, no. You can go to your files/maps structure (under >Windows Explorer/>My Computer or something in your case), then search for it there. Is it possible the technician uninstalled it as according to him it wasn't the right one?

Nick-H · Jan 23rd, 2008, 17:51

The connection between your pc and the router is 100Mb/sec. That's just the LAN (Local Area Network speed); two machines on your network can work together at this speed.

You need to configure the LAN card TCP/IP on the PC, although you can try the 'obtain an IP address automatically' setting.

Aishah · Jan 23rd, 2008, 18:43

Thanks Nick and Machadinha, now I understand. That program was there after he left, so very odd...I think time is running out for me tonight so I'm taking laptop to Delhi and will use GPRS and then we come back will get onto it again. Thanks for help all, and I will keep posted as to how I actually finally manage to get it running. If nothing else might be useful for readers!

machadinha · Jan 23rd, 2008, 20:04

Yes... I'm not speaking against anything said above, but configuring your TCP/IP settings is really fine-tuning (or at least if you ask me -- others may well disagree, unlike some others here I'm no IT'er), and there are safety issues (as in your machine's security) involved too. And it will depend on your precise set-up I think. I wouldn't presume to know how to describe it to you just like that. But maybe others can (or maybe they already have somewhere above?

)

This is a popular site on some of the finer issues involved: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 Word of caution: I find the guy has a bit of a hyper approach to the whole affair, and some of his explanations are a bit roundabout or questionable even, but he does offer some very good information and further links. You may find this all way over your head though, and none of it is actually necessary just to get your connection up; it's just about finer security issues. See also this page of his on network bindings specifically (which is really what TCP/IP is about, I think), http://www.grc.com/su-bondage.htm. Note again that I don't always find his descriptions the most accurate, and that to the unsuspecting reader this may only make them more paranoid than they need to be, with still not much of a grasp of what to do about it. As always, stuff like this is more easily understood once you, er, understand a little of it.

http://www.pcflank.com/ Isn't bad for some tests and documentation, note their "Articles Library."

Again though, this is all really beyond the scope of your question, and doesn't refer directly to how to get your connection up. It might to how to configure your TCP settings though.

Dilliwala · Jan 24th, 2008, 01:01

Quote:

You need to configure the LAN card TCP/IP on the PC, although you can try the 'obtain an IP address automatically' setting.

Is this standard for BSNL? For MTNL the auto settings (default anyway, innit?) work fine usually.

Nick-H · Jan 24th, 2008, 01:16

There are a few variables here, like whether you are using router or pass-through mode. But...

Mostly, the set-up between your PC and the router is not to do with who your supplier is, although they may have customary ways that they configure if they do the installation.

The minute you attach a router to your PC, you have a LAN (initially with two 'hosts' on it; one PC and one router; you can, if the ports or wireless is there, add more) --- the configuration of this LAN and the way that it works is the same all over the world. The machine I'm using has been attached to three different broadband suppliers in two different countries, with a variety of different modems and routers and settings. And sometimes, because of some whim, or some addition that I had not forseen, I change the entire LAN config! (I seldom, if ever, do this for fun any longer

).

I don't like using passthrough mode; I consider it more hassle, less secure, and it does not allow me to use several machines sharing my broadband connection.

I don't like to use the router as a DHCP server (the thing that provides those "obtain address automatically" settings). No big deal, I just don't. I don't use BSNL's DNS servers because they are slow and, at times, lead to a lot of timeouts.

To a large extent, I do what works for me: it doesn't mean that other ways will not also work. In some cases I've forgotten why I made some decisions, long time ago.

Aishah · Jan 24th, 2008, 19:48

Did a talkthrough last night with an 'expert' and the upshot seems to be possibly that Norton Antivirus may be blocking the cnnection between modem and PC... Further checking going on tomorrow... will keep posted with steps as we go. This post wobbling around on the train about 15 mins. out of jodhpur - something to be said for the old mobile GPRS!!!

Nick-H · Jan 24th, 2008, 20:26

ANtivirus shouldn't but your should have firewall software installed (eg Zone-Alarm) and that might.

However, never liked Norton: could be doing anything.

ks_bluechip · Jan 24th, 2008, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aishah

A well-detailed trip log KS and this would be handy for people driving places and wanting to know how long how it takes from one place to another - very meticulous recording and useful information here.

Thanks, Aishah. Is your Broadband up yet?

My BB was down today here .... but the MTNL(=BSNL) call-center walked me thru (on phone) on how to reset all the router settings.... after they reset my MAC address at the exchange. Its working now after 8 hrs breakdown. There are some advantages of living in Mumbai .... as compared to Jaisalmer

.... KS

WayFarer · Jan 24th, 2008, 21:19

Normally the BSNL website gives full installation instructions including software downloads.

For example this link from BSNL , allows you to choose the model and then based on each model, has comprehensive instructions for installtion either in the Router (multiuse) or PPoE DialUp Mode.
http://www.calcuttatelephones.com/da...tall/menu.html

There is problem solver help as well:
http://www.calcuttatelephones.com/he...ubleshoot.html

This can take care of most problems.

Jan 23rd, 2008, 08:39	#46
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,652	LOL, Nick - I'm getting ready for Delhi today (Meet UP om 25th), so Broadband on hold unless this guy turns up. Since I'm taking my laptop with me it will be a few days before I get back to this Thread. If I find a 'window of opportunity' (think that's the jargon!) I might try ethernet business today and see how we go... __________________ "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards."

Jan 23rd, 2008, 14:49	#48
brownboy66 the riff raff.... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,867	Last edited by brownboy66 : Jan 23rd, 2008 at 17:26.

Jan 23rd, 2008, 17:51	#52
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,219	The connection between your pc and the router is 100Mb/sec. That's just the LAN (Local Area Network speed); two machines on your network can work together at this speed. You need to configure the LAN card TCP/IP on the PC, although you can try the 'obtain an IP address automatically' setting. __________________ . IndiaMike Mod Team (The Grumpy One)

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Jan 23rd, 2008, 12:14	#47
Dilliwala Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dilli Posts: 2,742	Bring the cable and router along and let bb hook em up. U have NO idea what a favour u'll be doing him!

Jan 23rd, 2008, 16:09	#49
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,652	Well, managed to set it all up this afternoon but no good news. What I thought was the extra cable (ethernet) wasn't - it was the telephone line from modem to splitter! Shows you how naive I am. So if I pick up an ethernet cable maybe there is some chance. But it will have to wait now another 5 days, unless this man turns up like a miracle. I don't have user name to log on via USB; and a funny thing is, the CD program for ADSL Modem has gone off from my computer - it was in Programs and when I looked just now is no longer there. No icon on desktop for it either. Does this mean BSNL have deleted it via internet when I have been online?

Jan 23rd, 2008, 16:42	#50
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,652	Well this is rather embarassing! I found the ethernet cable - thought I had it - under the table.. so now connected and it is saying I have 'Local Area Connection" and speed is 100Mbps, now I'm testing and if this goes my Broadband is working!!!It is incredibly slow so definitely not correct.. I shall disconnect and put back the GPRS. Something is not right. First tried dial-up but that is not getting through, so my guess is maybe the local server is down. I will try later again tonight. Does this look like I'm working - I have the computer flashing icon on the bottom of my computer - and I get a small window when I put the cursor on it which comes up say Local Area Connection. As I said no speed - what should the speed be? Answering this myself, first of all found out there is an electricity failure and all internets are out in the city - so maybe I will be working later. My nephew's friend tells me this is only indicative of the cable and doesn't mean I am on internet (what I wrote before). Guess waiting .. is the answer!!

Jan 23rd, 2008, 18:43	#53
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,652	Thanks Nick and Machadinha, now I understand. That program was there after he left, so very odd...I think time is running out for me tonight so I'm taking laptop to Delhi and will use GPRS and then we come back will get onto it again. Thanks for help all, and I will keep posted as to how I actually finally manage to get it running. If nothing else might be useful for readers!

Jan 23rd, 2008, 20:04	#54
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 9,132	Yes... I'm not speaking against anything said above, but configuring your TCP/IP settings is really fine-tuning (or at least if you ask me -- others may well disagree, unlike some others here I'm no IT'er), and there are safety issues (as in your machine's security) involved too. And it will depend on your precise set-up I think. I wouldn't presume to know how to describe it to you just like that. But maybe others can (or maybe they already have somewhere above? ) This is a popular site on some of the finer issues involved: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 Word of caution: I find the guy has a bit of a hyper approach to the whole affair, and some of his explanations are a bit roundabout or questionable even, but he does offer some very good information and further links. You may find this all way over your head though, and none of it is actually necessary just to get your connection up; it's just about finer security issues. See also this page of his on network bindings specifically (which is really what TCP/IP is about, I think), http://www.grc.com/su-bondage.htm. Note again that I don't always find his descriptions the most accurate, and that to the unsuspecting reader this may only make them more paranoid than they need to be, with still not much of a grasp of what to do about it. As always, stuff like this is more easily understood once you, er, understand a little of it. http://www.pcflank.com/ Isn't bad for some tests and documentation, note their "Articles Library." Again though, this is all really beyond the scope of your question, and doesn't refer directly to how to get your connection up. It might to how to configure your TCP settings though.

Jan 24th, 2008, 01:16	#56
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,219	There are a few variables here, like whether you are using router or pass-through mode. But... Mostly, the set-up between your PC and the router is not to do with who your supplier is, although they may have customary ways that they configure if they do the installation. The minute you attach a router to your PC, you have a LAN (initially with two 'hosts' on it; one PC and one router; you can, if the ports or wireless is there, add more) --- the configuration of this LAN and the way that it works is the same all over the world. The machine I'm using has been attached to three different broadband suppliers in two different countries, with a variety of different modems and routers and settings. And sometimes, because of some whim, or some addition that I had not forseen, I change the entire LAN config! (I seldom, if ever, do this for fun any longer ). I don't like using passthrough mode; I consider it more hassle, less secure, and it does not allow me to use several machines sharing my broadband connection. I don't like to use the router as a DHCP server (the thing that provides those "obtain address automatically" settings). No big deal, I just don't. I don't use BSNL's DNS servers because they are slow and, at times, lead to a lot of timeouts. To a large extent, I do what works for me: it doesn't mean that other ways will not also work. In some cases I've forgotten why I made some decisions, long time ago.

Jan 24th, 2008, 19:48	#57
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 3,652	Did a talkthrough last night with an 'expert' and the upshot seems to be possibly that Norton Antivirus may be blocking the cnnection between modem and PC... Further checking going on tomorrow... will keep posted with steps as we go. This post wobbling around on the train about 15 mins. out of jodhpur - something to be said for the old mobile GPRS!!!

Jan 24th, 2008, 20:26	#58
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,219	ANtivirus shouldn't but your should have firewall software installed (eg Zone-Alarm) and that might. However, never liked Norton: could be doing anything.

Jan 24th, 2008, 21:19	#60
WayFarer Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 22° 34' N , 88° 22' E 3rd Rock from Sol Posts: 33	Normally the BSNL website gives full installation instructions including software downloads. For example this link from BSNL , allows you to choose the model and then based on each model, has comprehensive instructions for installtion either in the Router (multiuse) or PPoE DialUp Mode. http://www.calcuttatelephones.com/da...tall/menu.html There is problem solver help as well: http://www.calcuttatelephones.com/he...ubleshoot.html This can take care of most problems.

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