configuring broadband/PC power protection/cable-satellite TV in India...

Nick-H · Feb 7th, 2008, 23:54

I do find that there is a type of sales person in India, usually female, who has actually read the catalogue.

In fact, she has memorised the catalogue: specifications, features, prices and all, in great detail. They may not have an in-depth understanding, but at least you won't get home to find that what you thought was the 5-litre, 250-watt model, in fact is only 3 litres and 120 watts. If I ran PC-World (God forbid) I'd employ a few thousand of these ladies.

brownboy66 · Feb 8th, 2008, 08:08

and don't you just love it when you find someone like that.

Suddenly it doesn't matter how crappy the shop might be, or that the goods are maybe a bit more expensive then they should be - you've found someone who knows what their doing - so you don't have to be the expert.....

Aishah · Feb 8th, 2008, 08:26

Exactly bb, totally agree with both your last posts!
LOL, Captain, as usual!!
OT - Shashank - it was bought in Defence Colony Market at a general provision store, is Chinese, name Strob, and cost 1600r.
How long it will last I don't know but so far going beautifully, making good pressure etc.

Aishah · Feb 10th, 2008, 18:14

I'm wondering whether others using Broadband are having some problems with it yesterday and today? Mine seems to be positively erratic, sometimes good and sometimes at a complete standstill. Have they got that cable undersea fixed yet?? Are others experiencing this behaviour with their connections?

ks_bluechip · Feb 10th, 2008, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Aishah

I'm wondering whether others using Broadband are having some problems with it yesterday and today? Mine seems to be positively erratic, sometimes good and sometimes at a complete standstill. Have they got that cable undersea fixed yet?? Are others experiencing this behaviour with their connections?

Here on my BB (Mumbai-MTNL) it has been working fine last 2 days ... don't know if underground cable is fixed yet ....KS

brownboy66 · Feb 10th, 2008, 19:13

Haven't heard anything as to whether or not repairs have been completed - but the broadband is working just fine here in Delhi.

Aishah · Feb 10th, 2008, 19:44

Maybe just a local area thing from time to time - starting to go faster in the last 10 mins. Local BSNL mobiles have been peculiar here too today, sometimes not a sound after you press 'call'. So maybe a tower is not so good..(actually I haven't a clue, as you know, how these things work!)All to do with telephone wires so maybe the local exchange is having problems...

brownboy66 · Feb 11th, 2008, 00:25

you're developing quite a knack for this! Chance are you may have hit the nail on the head.

Any local cellphone tower will undoubtedly be connected to the exchange (for some reason or another people tend to assume that when you make a mobile call its a wireless connection all the way to the recipient - when in fact what happens is that the cell phone call hits the nearest tower (usally one of 2 or 3), then goes via circuit (phone line to the exchange) to where ever the destination is. Long and short of it - in some remote locations every thing is on the same bunch of circuits heading out of town - cell phone, broadband, voice calls, etc - and if that circuit is cut, overloaded, etc - everything gets affected.

Aishah · Feb 11th, 2008, 12:10

Yes, bb! And that I think is what the problem is - again this morning I couldn't even connect Broadband - connected GPRS which ran nicely for a short time then started going far too slow. Switched to dial-up, then gave up. All the ATM's also were out this morning, but after light came back (power) around 11 a.m. ATM's were back on again. I've concluded this is just a local area problem and I shan't post again, everytime I have failure to connect! Now all running normally..

shashank.aggarwal · Feb 11th, 2008, 12:36

I won't trust BSNL to be as competent as Airtel or some other reputed private service provider..

I am using a Sify connection, and I has hardly let me realize the difference with broken cables..

The only problem was that the downloads we working fine at full capacity of the connection, my POP mails were working as they shud, however I was not able to do browsing..

Aishah · Feb 11th, 2008, 12:59

Two of my friend's have Sify - one in Delhi and one in Udaipur - occasionally they also have the odd breakdown. Maybe not as often as BSNL, but now and then I've had them complaining re their connections. Also speeds are varying too.

shashank.aggarwal · Feb 11th, 2008, 13:02

Sify depends a lot on Last mile connectivity..its runs on cable..i.e. I am not a part of all those modems and routers discussions...my internet runs from LAN Card..

Sify connection also depends on the support from the local CT0 (I guess Cable TV Office) who work as franchisee of Sify..as they are one who maintain last mile connectivity..

Aishah · Feb 11th, 2008, 13:14

That's interesting, Shashank - puts a new slant on connections!

brownboy66 · Feb 11th, 2008, 14:13

One of the things I'm learning here is that for telco network infrastructure only some of the equipment has power backup. For example - our TV cable connection does down every time there is a power cut - not because of an outage here (we have UPS and a generator) but because some of the cable switching/ amp equipment is not power protected. I'm assuming, therefore, that the same would apply for some telecom services.

In addition to power protection, there's also the small matter of circuit diversity. Basically for any town/ city you would want a couple of major circuits (if not more) heading out of town on different geographic routes. If that isn't there then you have a single point of failure.

capt_mahajan · Feb 11th, 2008, 14:28

The cable tv lines probably go through many buildings, with amplifiers and other crap plugged in there.

So, if anything on the route has a power outage, you won't get TV.

Feb 7th, 2008, 23:54	#196
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,783	I do find that there is a type of sales person in India, usually female, who has actually read the catalogue. In fact, she has memorised the catalogue: specifications, features, prices and all, in great detail. They may not have an in-depth understanding, but at least you won't get home to find that what you thought was the 5-litre, 250-watt model, in fact is only 3 litres and 120 watts. If I ran PC-World (God forbid) I'd employ a few thousand of these ladies. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

Feb 8th, 2008, 08:26	#198
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 4,437	Exactly bb, totally agree with both your last posts! LOL, Captain, as usual!! OT - Shashank - it was bought in Defence Colony Market at a general provision store, is Chinese, name Strob, and cost 1600r. How long it will last I don't know but so far going beautifully, making good pressure etc. __________________ "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards."

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shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,162	I won't trust BSNL to be as competent as Airtel or some other reputed private service provider.. I am using a Sify connection, and I has hardly let me realize the difference with broken cables.. The only problem was that the downloads we working fine at full capacity of the connection, my POP mails were working as they shud, however I was not able to do browsing.. __________________ Travelogue - Around India Random Reviews

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Feb 8th, 2008, 08:08	#197
brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,140	and don't you just love it when you find someone like that. Suddenly it doesn't matter how crappy the shop might be, or that the goods are maybe a bit more expensive then they should be - you've found someone who knows what their doing - so you don't have to be the expert.....

Feb 10th, 2008, 18:14	#199
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 4,437	I'm wondering whether others using Broadband are having some problems with it yesterday and today? Mine seems to be positively erratic, sometimes good and sometimes at a complete standstill. Have they got that cable undersea fixed yet?? Are others experiencing this behaviour with their connections?

Feb 10th, 2008, 19:13	#201
brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,140	Haven't heard anything as to whether or not repairs have been completed - but the broadband is working just fine here in Delhi.

Feb 10th, 2008, 19:44	#202
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 4,437	Maybe just a local area thing from time to time - starting to go faster in the last 10 mins. Local BSNL mobiles have been peculiar here too today, sometimes not a sound after you press 'call'. So maybe a tower is not so good..(actually I haven't a clue, as you know, how these things work!)All to do with telephone wires so maybe the local exchange is having problems...

Feb 11th, 2008, 00:25	#203
brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,140	you're developing quite a knack for this! Chance are you may have hit the nail on the head. Any local cellphone tower will undoubtedly be connected to the exchange (for some reason or another people tend to assume that when you make a mobile call its a wireless connection all the way to the recipient - when in fact what happens is that the cell phone call hits the nearest tower (usally one of 2 or 3), then goes via circuit (phone line to the exchange) to where ever the destination is. Long and short of it - in some remote locations every thing is on the same bunch of circuits heading out of town - cell phone, broadband, voice calls, etc - and if that circuit is cut, overloaded, etc - everything gets affected.

Feb 11th, 2008, 12:10	#204
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 4,437	Yes, bb! And that I think is what the problem is - again this morning I couldn't even connect Broadband - connected GPRS which ran nicely for a short time then started going far too slow. Switched to dial-up, then gave up. All the ATM's also were out this morning, but after light came back (power) around 11 a.m. ATM's were back on again. I've concluded this is just a local area problem and I shan't post again, everytime I have failure to connect! Now all running normally..

Feb 11th, 2008, 12:59	#206
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 4,437	Two of my friend's have Sify - one in Delhi and one in Udaipur - occasionally they also have the odd breakdown. Maybe not as often as BSNL, but now and then I've had them complaining re their connections. Also speeds are varying too.

Feb 11th, 2008, 13:02	#207
shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,162	Sify depends a lot on Last mile connectivity..its runs on cable..i.e. I am not a part of all those modems and routers discussions...my internet runs from LAN Card.. Sify connection also depends on the support from the local CT0 (I guess Cable TV Office) who work as franchisee of Sify..as they are one who maintain last mile connectivity..

Feb 11th, 2008, 13:14	#208
Aishah She-who-must-be-obeyed! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jaisalmer Posts: 4,437	That's interesting, Shashank - puts a new slant on connections!

Feb 11th, 2008, 14:13	#209
brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,140	One of the things I'm learning here is that for telco network infrastructure only some of the equipment has power backup. For example - our TV cable connection does down every time there is a power cut - not because of an outage here (we have UPS and a generator) but because some of the cable switching/ amp equipment is not power protected. I'm assuming, therefore, that the same would apply for some telecom services. In addition to power protection, there's also the small matter of circuit diversity. Basically for any town/ city you would want a couple of major circuits (if not more) heading out of town on different geographic routes. If that isn't there then you have a single point of failure.

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Feb 11th, 2008, 14:28	#210
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 9,718	The cable tv lines probably go through many buildings, with amplifiers and other crap plugged in there. So, if anything on the route has a power outage, you won't get TV.