Cannon Rebel or Cannon D30?

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#1 Oct 9th, 2006, 13:48
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I am planning to buy a digital SLR and till date I have used only point and shoot cameras. After having a lot of discussion with friends I decided on Cannon. I thought I would buy a D30 (I rarely spend this kind of money).

But then a friend said if I am completely new to digital SLRs (and I am, I thought buy the camera first and figure it out later) maybe I should start with a basic model. I do not understand almost anything (but I plan to learn once I have the camera) beyond my point and shoot Nikon Coolpix 3200.

But the problem is I do not want to upgrade soon enough if I buy a rebel.

So what do you good folks suggest to me? I am thoroughly confused
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I can only vouch that the Canon 350D is a fantastic camera, is easy to use and offers plenty of room to "grow into". I've never regretted buying it for a minute. This is not to say that other brands or models might not be just as good, but this is one thumbs up for this Canon digital SLR.
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Tapesrty, thanks for the reply. And how much does it cost? On searching more I found out that Cannon 350D is actually Cannon Rebel. So looks like the entry level model is pretty good.
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Hi Mridula,

I think the D30 costs is almost twice as the 350D. Unless you are very sure about what additional value you can get out of that extra 35K investment, I guess you should go for the 350D. It is a seriously good camera. I dont know much about D30, but i guess 350D will give you most of the features you might need as a serious amateur.

I have a 350D and am quite happy with it. I spent 38K. bought it last month, and am still coming into terms with various features available ( there are many). Hope someone comes over and gives an insight on D30.

oh - the 400D is also being released soon - might be good if you hold on for a bit and check what price they are being sold at.

I dont think D30 is a full-frame DSLR. ( I guess that is D5 ). If it is, that is one professionals might go for.

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Get the 400D (rebel). It has only just been released and will not be upgraded for at least a year. The 30D will be updated fairly soon I suspect. In other words, the 400D is a generation ahead of the 30D. Get a 50mm 1.8 and a Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 lens with the money you save (probably about the same as the difference with a kit lens included). You will take MUCH better pictures with those lenses on a 400D than a kit lens on a 30D.
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Bigzero and Punchinello, thanks a lot for your replies. I cannot afford to upgrade cameras with every new release

So when I buy either Rebel or D30 I will have to stick with it for quite a few number of years. That is why I am willing to plonk some serious cash for D30 if it will last my enthusiasm for longer and keep adding lenses, etc. piecemeal.

But with all the favorable advice for Rebel, I am getting quite tempted.
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Hey

Hey i think u need to go some digicam website and get opinions of experts.

I did a comparison of the 3 cams here http://www.imaging-resource.com/CAMD...submit=Compare

and i found that D30 is way oldd and
there is hardly any diff between 350D and 400D

abt prices in mumbai call up the numbers given at jjmehta.com
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Lenses are far from piecemeal. Many will cost you 2x what the 400D will. The couple I mentioned are cheap but good.
Unfortunately, we just have to accept that any technology we buy into will become worthless fairly quickly these days. Nobody can guarantee you the 400D won't be obsolete in a couple of years, but it has a few functions which are a generation ahead of the 30D (automatic dust removal, for instance, which is very, very useful). As a camera, it's missing a few functions that the 30D has (spot metering, etc.), but these are functions that weren't available in most professional film cameras until recently. The biggest complaint most people have with the 400d is that it is hard to hold if you have big hands. Try it and see.
BTW, the 400d is already on shelves in Australia. It is the same price as the 350D was.
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Ok more research ... 400D has these new features compared to 350D

Canon Rebel XTi Feature Enhancements
The new Canon Digital Rebel XTi boasts a number of enhancements relative to the previous Rebel XT model, and the 10.1 megapixel sensor is arguably one of the least significant. Here's a list of the key differences between the two cameras. We'll discuss some of these in more depth below, for the rest, stay tuned for more information soon:

10.1 megapixel Canon CMOS image sensor with improved cell layout and microlens array
New EOS Integrated Cleaning System including Self Cleaning Sensor Unit and "Dust Delete Data" detection
Large and bright 2.5 inch, 230,000 pixel LCD screen with wide (160 degree) viewing angle
New, enhanced interface for camera settings with greatly extended display information
Expanded Info screen with RGB histogram and memory card remaining capacity

Continuous shooting at 3 frames per second, buffer depth of 27 JPEG Large/Fine or 10 RAW frames
New folder management with manual folder creation and up to 9,999 images per folder
Picture Style settings (same options as on EOS-30D)
9-point autofocus unit with high-precision f/2.8 support (same as on EOS-30D)

Selectable AF modes
Selectable AF points
3 settings for long exposure noise reduction, including auto
Faster image processing
Improved Print/Share functions

Improved Direct Print functions including red-eye correction, face brightening and index printing
Convenient image display functions including computer-only auto rotation and reduce/enlarge during quick review
Additional Custom Functions
Superior software package including Canon's exclusive Digital Photo Professional

src: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XTI/XTIA.HTM
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When spending the sort of money that one only spends once (hopefuly) in many years, I don't think there is any point in staying basic because you are a beginner. The bottom line is that any camera, however potentially complex, that has an automatic mode should be as simple to use, at that level, as any other.

Of course it is valid to ask if you are paying for features you don't want!

I'm not in that league of camera buyers (might be one day) but my guess is that, beyond a certain feature-rich point, spending more money should equal more quality rather than more features. My consumer level S2 IS is positively dripping with settings I seldom or never use.

Do not underestimate the importance of ergonomics. It is important to hold the cameras you are thinking about buying, see where the controls come under your fingers and how it feels in your hands.

Oh, and I believe Pentax have a new model that is weather-sealed. If I was looking for an SLR, that feature would very likely be a winner for me (but I have no idea about price). Why this has not become a common camera feature I can never understand. It rains sometimes!

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The 350D costs around 40k according to JJMehta. However I think prices have fallen in the US and as mentioned the 400D is also out so perhaps you might wish to wait a few months.

To make full use of your dslr you need to have a good understanding of the basics of exposure control ( shutter speed, aperture etc). You might want to buy a point-and-click with manual exposure controls like the Canon A530 first.
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Here's two more useful sites:

Digital Photography Review
Steve's Digicams

And another

Digital Camera Resource
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Of course none of those camera would take one of these

But then, your backpack probably wouldn't either!
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Theshutterbug, as cameras are cheaper in the US, a friend has promised to bring it for me Also as I have not used anything beyond point and shoot the features do not make too much of a sense to me.

Punchinello, big hands are not going to be a problem for me.

Nick, a friend is bringing the camera for me, so unless I venture out to a shop here I have no way of holding it

Periscope I will stay with Cannon 400 probably and not confuse myself further

Nick, thanks for the sites.
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I suspect what you want is to use a great camera that is not hugely more complex than your current skill level, (but somewhat more complex) and which takes professional looking pictures. One option, which is what I have done, is to get something like the 350D or 400D, and then when you feel you are ready for an upgrade, buy yourself a new lens to expand your photo palette. I started out with the 350D and the 18-55mm lens that comes in the kit. Then moved onto a 50mm fixed lens for portraits, and have since added on the Canon 70-200mm zoom and the Canon 10-22mm for the wide angle. You'll see how fun it is to add great lenses to an already great camera. If you spend your whole amount on a very complex camera, you won't have any money to expand your lens collection. (The zoom and and wide angle were quite pricey).

I bought my Canon 350D through JJMehta, and it was something like 38K or so. I bought it about 1.5 years ago.
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