Airfare increases - Historical Data ?

nycank · Jul 21st, 2008, 05:10

How often do airfares increase in India for popular domestic sector ? Weekly ? monthly ?

Do folks who are domestic FF, buy or reserve months in advance ? Just curious.

shashank.aggarwal · Jul 21st, 2008, 10:54

There is no set rule. And rather an increase in the Airfares, the fixed charges have been going up, Airport Congestion charge, Fuel Surcharge etc.

2-3 years ago the total overhead cost was around Rs.200, so if you got a cheap airfare, if was possible to fly below Rs.1000. Even last year the surcharges were close to Rs.1000 and we still were able to get tickets for around Rs.1500, however as of now the surcharge is touching Rs.3500.

Delhi-Mumbai used to be cheapest sector, because its the busiest sector in country. But today its almost impossible to get a ticket for less than Rs.4000 one side.

puchoo · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:19

I know, such a shame, one could fly to Mumbai and Pune for a lark 2 years back but now its not happening..!

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

Delhi-Mumbai used to be cheapest sector, because its the busiest sector in country. But today its almost impossible to get a ticket for less than Rs.4000 one side.

jyotirmoy · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:25

The passenger load has fallen drastically. All budget airlines are in the process of shuting off service to unprofitable sectors. The lean season has added to their woes.
The confidence vote to be held in Delhi tomorrow has helped fill seats in the Delhi bound flights.

shashank.aggarwal · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by puchoo

I know, such a shame, one could fly to Mumbai and Pune for a lark 2 years back but now its not happening..!

Even last year I did Delhi-Mumbai for around Rs.1000..

puchoo · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:28

The last really cheap ticket i got was Delhi-Pune , for 5200 ..and this was return!

shashank.aggarwal · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by puchoo

The last really cheap ticket i got was Delhi-Pune , for 5200 ..and this was return!

whoa...the last cheap ticket was around a year back...Rs.2600 or something for a return ticket Delhi-Baghdogra...

capt_mahajan · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:33

To the OP, if 'taxes' (a major component of the airfare- all of which are not really taxes, just marketing feel good jargon) go up, one has to normally pay the difference regardless of booking. With the surcharges going up along with fuel costs, there is no escape regardless of when you book. Airlines claim that the 'fare' component is 500 or 1000 rupees anyway, depending on time of booking, or sometimes even lower. That 500 or so is all one is negotiating by booking well in advance.

Airlines are like those dotcom companies which collapsed in the last bust... the game is marketshare (like it was eyeballs), not profitability

And like the dotcoms, many airlines just want to be bought. Thats the exit strategy, profitability or not.

Meanwhile, in these hard times, many are compromising safety. Lousier air quality and pressure control, as well as higher ROD (rates of decent) are just two commonly used tricks to save fuel at the cost of passenger comfort/safety and the environment.

puchoo · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:36

Yep , thats why i could keep going every 2-3 months for a longish weekend...

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

whoa...

Nick-H · Jul 21st, 2008, 13:54

The proliferation in doemstic airlines is far too recent to talk about a history of price rises. It is not so long since there was a choice of two airlines; one which the government owned, and one which it didn't.

I think the Captain is right: this market is a sort of artificial bubble. Mind you, I used to wonder at the dotcoms, or at least those that actually traded successfully: how could they not succeed? They lacked the large overhead of retail outlets that their off-line competitors had to pay, they had large turnovers, and yet still managed to fail!

Airlines cannot avoid the huge physical expenses associated with planes (even if leased), high salaries of air crew and fuel oil.

Is the 'fly for £5' thing still going on in Europe? A neighbour of mine in London used to fly to Italy regularly for less than a decent-length train journey within UK would have cost.

GoanCanuck · Jul 21st, 2008, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

And like the dotcoms, many airlines just want to be bought. Thats the exit strategy, profitability or not.

Agreed. The business model of these airlines is not sustainable in the long run.

kammaldeep · Jul 21st, 2008, 15:13

Pune - Delhi in April 2008 costed me abt INR 5600/-

and yesterday i booked Pune - Delhi for Aug 2008 with INR 11,578/-

too much diff

i guess if the rates increase like this.. i will have to either switch back to delhi .. or dont go to delhi

puchoo · Jul 21st, 2008, 15:23

Or buy a horse...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kammaldeep

i guess if the rates increase like this.. i will have to either switch back to delhi .. or dont go to delhi

capt_mahajan · Jul 21st, 2008, 15:28

Thats my aim.

1. Move to the hills
2. Buy horse and gun
3. Get new wife, since this one won't come along

PS: Ontopic on airfares, shocked to see Hyderabad/Goa around 11000 one way, beginning August

Hmm, its a long days drive, but done before. 750km.

puchoo · Jul 21st, 2008, 15:32

Excellent plans cap'n , maybe we can share some information on horses later on..or even mules for that matter.

I am by default extending my "driving circle" as well to avoid some of these costs... i can currently do about 700 - 800 Km's daily without it being too much of a pain

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

Thats my aim.

1. Move to the hills
2. Buy horse and gun
3. Get new wife, since this one won't come along

Hmm, its a long days drive, but done before. 750km.

Jul 21st, 2008, 05:10	#1
nycank Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 269	Airfare increases - Historical Data ? How often do airfares increase in India for popular domestic sector ? Weekly ? monthly ? Do folks who are domestic FF, buy or reserve months in advance ? Just curious.

Jul 21st, 2008, 10:54	#2
shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,154	There is no set rule. And rather an increase in the Airfares, the fixed charges have been going up, Airport Congestion charge, Fuel Surcharge etc. 2-3 years ago the total overhead cost was around Rs.200, so if you got a cheap airfare, if was possible to fly below Rs.1000. Even last year the surcharges were close to Rs.1000 and we still were able to get tickets for around Rs.1500, however as of now the surcharge is touching Rs.3500. Delhi-Mumbai used to be cheapest sector, because its the busiest sector in country. But today its almost impossible to get a ticket for less than Rs.4000 one side. __________________ Travelogue - Around India Random Reviews

Jul 21st, 2008, 13:54	#10
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,767	The proliferation in doemstic airlines is far too recent to talk about a history of price rises. It is not so long since there was a choice of two airlines; one which the government owned, and one which it didn't. I think the Captain is right: this market is a sort of artificial bubble. Mind you, I used to wonder at the dotcoms, or at least those that actually traded successfully: how could they not succeed? They lacked the large overhead of retail outlets that their off-line competitors had to pay, they had large turnovers, and yet still managed to fail! Airlines cannot avoid the huge physical expenses associated with planes (even if leased), high salaries of air crew and fuel oil. Is the 'fly for £5' thing still going on in Europe? A neighbour of mine in London used to fly to Italy regularly for less than a decent-length train journey within UK would have cost. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

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jyotirmoy Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 4,378	The passenger load has fallen drastically. All budget airlines are in the process of shuting off service to unprofitable sectors. The lean season has added to their woes. The confidence vote to be held in Delhi tomorrow has helped fill seats in the Delhi bound flights.

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capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 9,716	To the OP, if 'taxes' (a major component of the airfare- all of which are not really taxes, just marketing feel good jargon) go up, one has to normally pay the difference regardless of booking. With the surcharges going up along with fuel costs, there is no escape regardless of when you book. Airlines claim that the 'fare' component is 500 or 1000 rupees anyway, depending on time of booking, or sometimes even lower. That 500 or so is all one is negotiating by booking well in advance. Airlines are like those dotcom companies which collapsed in the last bust... the game is marketshare (like it was eyeballs), not profitability And like the dotcoms, many airlines just want to be bought. Thats the exit strategy, profitability or not. Meanwhile, in these hard times, many are compromising safety. Lousier air quality and pressure control, as well as higher ROD (rates of decent) are just two commonly used tricks to save fuel at the cost of passenger comfort/safety and the environment.

Jul 21st, 2008, 15:13	#12
kammaldeep The N@me is En0ugh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Delhi >> Pune Posts: 85	Pune - Delhi in April 2008 costed me abt INR 5600/- and yesterday i booked Pune - Delhi for Aug 2008 with INR 11,578/- too much diff i guess if the rates increase like this.. i will have to either switch back to delhi .. or dont go to delhi

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capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 9,716	Thats my aim. 1. Move to the hills 2. Buy horse and gun 3. Get new wife, since this one won't come along PS: Ontopic on airfares, shocked to see Hyderabad/Goa around 11000 one way, beginning August Hmm, its a long days drive, but done before. 750km.

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