Is Delhi the rape capital of India or a victim of warped reporting?

singsub

thats easy to say - that i was mixing with the wrong people. but those wrong people studied in the top colleges of delhi, so i wonder who the right people may be.

as for smaller towns, i mean the small towns of india like mulbai, kolkata, chennai, bangalore, hyderabad, chandigarh. i assume all these small towns have a big problem with reporting crime. funn how all kinds of crimes get reported in these small towns except rapes.

what authentic soucrce do you want?? would the leading news papers and tv channels in idnia do it?

i also suggest you read my post again. i said that 1) NE-ners all over india are viewed as easy meat 2) delhi has the maximum NE immigrant student population. whats so contradictory ??

rapes to total population list??? no i dont. i dount the GOI has that either. since when have the crime rates in top cities been interpreted in keeping with their population ??

singsub

i dont know how long you have stayed in india, but the indian media describes elhi as the rape capital.

as for your whole argument about "reported" rapes - that line of interpretation can be used to contradict all crime related data. indeed it could be argued that singapore's low crime rate is only thanks to no case ever being reported !!

the law in india is the same. a victim in delhi has as much incentive to report the crime as one in mumbai or kolkata. the population of delhi is no more accepting of a rape victim than the population of chennai or chandigarh.

singsub

on that we could both agree.

Haylo

Might you be getting a just a teeny bit carried away because you are enjoying the discussion, or do you genuinely not understand the difference between reporting a theft and reporting a rape?

singsub

edwardseco

What was the OP's issue again.?

Manzey

Singsub...I am surprised that you conisder mulbai, kolkata, chennai, bangalore, hyderabad, chandigarh these as small towns of India ? Do you know how big is Mumbai / kolkatta / chennai / Bangalore / Hyderbabad ???

These cities have more population that many countries in the world and all these cities has more population than Singapore.

Cheers!

Haylo

Not set foot in the country yet. As my profile says, my boyfriend will be working in India for a couple of years, but he doesn't arrive until July. That is why I am offering a general opinon, not something specific to India.

It may or may not be true, and I have not seen any figures, but a newspaper printing a statement like that does not make it a responsible thing to say.

Among women generally, the fear of crime far outweighs the actual risk of crime, and labelling any city the "Rape Capital" would in my personal opinion do more harm than good. Women who creep about in fear, looking over their shoulder for possible attackers are far more vulnerable than confident looking women. So yes, it is right to make people aware of the dangers, but inflammatory terms like that are best avoided. Even if it sells newspapers.

Yes, you are right. I believe the whole "increase in confidence in police ability, resulting in increased crime reporting" occurs across the board, not just in cases of sexual assault.

Statistics can easily be misleading and need careful interpretation, for instance the introduction of steel hemets in the Great War increased casualties, bayonet wounds only causing 1% of injuries seen in field hospitals caused some to think they were ineffective (actually they caused death not injury) and better diagnostics for disease appears to increase rates of infection.

capt_mahajan has posted that in his view, the Delhi police are more proactive. The question is, have they become more proactive becuase they have to deal with higher numbers of rapes, or are more rapes reported beause they have become more proactive.

The answer to that one, I do not profess to know.

singsub

OMG........i think you need to read a lot of posts again.

singsub

Not set foot in the country yet. As my profile says, my boyfriend will be working in India for a couple of years, but he doesn't arrive until July. That is why I am offering a general opinon, not something specific to India.
aah that explains it.
It may or may not be true, and I have not seen any figures, but a newspaper printing a statement like that does not make it a responsible thing to say.
well what can they do?? mumbai produces more cricketers than any other city in india - mumbai is the cricket capital. for similar reasons its also he crim capital, the business capital, the film capital. bangalore is the IT capital, the suicide capital. delhi has been refered to as the rape capital in both print and electronic media for quite sometime now. maybe the whole media of india is wrong and our dilliwallah is right??


capt_mahajan has posted that in his view, the Delhi police are more proactive. The question is, have they become more proactive becuase they have to deal with higher numbers of rapes, or are more rapes reported beause they have become more proactive.

if they were that proactive, the rapes wouldnt be happening in the first place. thats true in any low-crime city in the world. the police there are so good that crime doesnt happen much in the first place.

singsub

i do agree. we have digressed too much for too long.

Haylo

Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread.

Manzey

Singsub....my apologies......Cheers !

Dilliwala

Hmm, lemme see now - becos your friends studied in the top colleges, that means their views/behaviour/whatever are the standard that every body else will be measured against? I'll leave it to you to figure out whether there's an inherent fallacy therein.
Btw, I went to one of those top colleges too. I've already stated how we looked upon NEerners, so 'nuff said.

SMALL TOWNS?? Is this supposed to be a joke? Which are the big towns then? What about small cities? Any big cities in this country, besides Delhi?
And don't tell me to read your previous posts, I have read all of em.
I won't respond to the rest of the above becos I think you're just being facetious. At least I hope you were, becos if you're actually serious, then it's clear you're just out on a Sunday troll in the park.

Give me some credit for being able to check their sensationalist headlines myself (many of the papers, and almost all the TV stations), I do live in the country. I was asking for real figures. If you have em, spew em.

And I suggest you read my rejoinder again. If it wasn't clear, I'll spell it out, but firstly to your points -
Nothing contradictory (from your standpoint), if what you meant was that it automatically follows that therefore NEerners are "viewed as easy meat" (whatever that means) the most in Delhi.
Btw, I presume that when you said "all over India", you actually meant ".....excluding the NE". Or are they "viewed as easy meat" there too?

Since you had brought up the subject of rape, I included that in my rejoinder, which I'll spell out -
What is the total population of NE students (that was the topic of discussion, remember?) in Delhi? Of them, what percentage get raped, let's say yearly? How does this percentage compare with rape-figures in other places where they are "viewed as easy meat"? Just to illustrate my point, if it's 5% in Delhi and 15% elsewhere, then I suggest that Delhi is safer. If it's reversed, then obviously not. Therefore, "sheer numbers mean nothing".

Yes, that's exactly what I said to start with, repeating every media cliche.
I still haven't seen any figures though.

Btw, you might try not to be patronising when making someone's length of stay or lack thereof an issue in the discussion. By that measure those desis who continue to live here are better qualified for this (or any) discussion than those desis who've lived outside for a few years, but nobody's reminded you that you're in the latter category (oops, I think I just did. Sorry).

Hmmm, yes. I haven't actually said anywhere that I'm right, what I did was dispute your assertion and ask for you to show figures to support it. Leave that aside, let me tell you what (almost) all the TV news channels do whenever a rape receives publicity in Delhi - saturation coverage (I have no problem with that) with the headlines "Rape capital". But the thrust of their reporting is not along the lines that you have illustrated above (re suicide/IT/cricket/crime) i.e. by providing hard statistics (even reported rapes, never mind educated guesstimates), but simply by associating rape with the word capital, becos it's the nation's capital. Makes for very good headlines.

I may also add that in a different place and context it may be fine to quote which city is capital for what 'purpose' including calling Delhi the rape capital (I still dispute that). But this is a TRAVEL website, and not a STAY-AT-HOME website, the idea being to help visitors get around safely by pointing out potential dangers, but without using scare-mongering tactics - it has already been pointed out to you what the effect of your statements can be to the first-time visitor. Given that in your (edit: )#1 you were responding to a quite different point, I wudn't even have bothered responding if you had left it at "very true, especially in delhi" - like I said we're pretty blase about that sort of thing.

Er, you lost me there. A low-crime city doesn't have much crime, and of those crimes that happen, none are rapes, is that right?
Again - fallacy, inherent, figure out whether therein......



Er, what was the topic again, edward?

machadinha

Points taken, Dilli.

But hadn't all the other respondents above just agreed to get back on topic? Namely: About mixed Chinese/Indian marriages?

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