Tibet

Kiki · Mar 3rd, 2005, 22:37

Anybody know of a good message board (like this one!

) for travels in Tibet?

Samsara · Mar 30th, 2005, 16:22

Well, I think there are some people really interested in Tibet too here so I guess this message board would be O.K. in this Crossing the Border section for Tibetan info.

BTW I saw a great book in the bookshop today called "For Tibet, With Love - A Beginner's Guide to Changing the World" by Isabel Losado. It was in the travel section. I've got it earmarked to get in the future to read, it looks good. The author concentrates on Tibet in her goal to make a small difference in the world she lives in.

Mikki · Mar 30th, 2005, 17:24

I liked "Tibet, Tibet" by Patrick French. Try it"

Kiki · Mar 31st, 2005, 11:34

Thanks for the info. I was refused entry to Tibet University (which is why I was planning to go...to study Tibetan there) because I had been in Darjeeling! Go figure.

About the Patrick French book...I HATED that book! So full of misinformation and cynicism and garbage. Ugh.

Anyway, should I ever be fortunate enough to go to Tibet, I will check out the Borders section of this very site. Thanks again.

dzibead · Mar 31st, 2005, 12:22

Kiki, did you read Jamyang Norbu's review of Patrick French's book? Man, he hated it! You can find the review on the Times of Tibet website.

Maybe the Chinese think Darjeeling and Kalimpong are still hotbeds of Tibetan espionage and intrigue? Well, they used to be, but I suspect those days are gone ... Have you read John Knaus's book Orphans of the Cold War, about the Tibetan guerilla resistance? Lots about Darjeeling and Kalimpong.

katora · Mar 31st, 2005, 13:16

its just got a lot easier to get into tibet. for a start the special and expensive permits have just been done away with, and also the chinese and nepali government(is there a nepali government?) have just agreed to open a direct bus route from kathmandu to lhasa.
also what we think of tibet today(xizang to the chinese, utsang to the tibetans) is actually only one third of the old tibet or what you could call ethnographic tibet. parts of the other provinces - sichuan, gansu, qinghai, - are also fully tibetan(kham and amdo). in fact some may say these regions are more like tibet was years ago as they havnt been so han-ified.
iv been round tibet in january and had a wonderful eye opening time, and now planning to go in june to amdo to visit a friends family (my friends a refugee in mcloed).
i wish more people would visit tibet, it helps the locals a lot.

monkgonemad · Apr 3rd, 2005, 13:14

i dontthink you can (easily) get from kashi to tibet. the tibetan plateau the roads do not run to tibet if memory serves -nor via the kkh (which would require a trip to paki incidently)

vistet · Apr 3rd, 2005, 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by neomadd

Yes I have also heard of the bus from Kat to Lhasa. Do you know if poeple other than Tibetans and Chinese are allowed to use it?

It hasnt started yet , supposedly will start in May. A recent update in phayul.com mentioned operators and new visa rules.

Quote:

Kiki, did you read Jamyang Norbu's review of Patrick French's book? Man, he hated it! You can find the review on the Times of Tibet website.

Norbu is a writer with a bite : another good example is his review of guidebooks to Tibet , found on Tibetan Review´s site.

There is also a book review section on phayul.com , worth checking out from time to time.

Quote:

also what we think of tibet today(xizang to the chinese, utsang to the tibetans) is actually only one third of the old tibet or what you could call ethnographic tibet. parts of the other provinces - sichuan, gansu, qinghai, - are also fully tibetan(kham and amdo).

A guidebook that has adopted this perspective is Mapping the Tibetan World : it also covers Tibetan(related) areas in Nepal & India. Excellent in background material , pity it hasnt been updated (written 2000-2001, methinks) .

monkgonemad · Apr 4th, 2005, 10:57

neomadd: have you done this before? i am very interested in goingto tibet now as i had seen on cctv9 yesterday that the railway will be complete by years end -hence, if tibetan culture has not been destroyed yet, it will be shortly. ive put off for years ging out of visa hassle cold and laziness.

ive dreamed of kashi for years but that too i have yet to do forsame reasons although ive been to paki and done kkh.

ok, i dont want to take a tour although if it were basically costed out to be net/net basic price for transport cheap room/s -i might consider.

i was thinking in june to enter yunnan and then make my way to tibet (2 mos) china. then x to nepal and then x to india in the hp region.

my questions (not to hijack the thread): could i....

get into china on two month visa, see yunnan > kashi > ali [via hotan?] (you say?) > tibet > nepal (kathmandu) > somewhere x to india

is it doable -the chinese leg of this independantly? how bout xing to nepal?

big thanks!!

Mar 3rd, 2005, 22:37	#1
Kiki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 153	Tibet Anybody know of a good message board (like this one! ) for travels in Tibet?

Mar 30th, 2005, 17:24	#3
Mikki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 143	Tibet I liked "Tibet, Tibet" by Patrick French. Try it"

Mar 31st, 2005, 13:16	#6
katora Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore (Arekere) Posts: 38	easier to go this year its just got a lot easier to get into tibet. for a start the special and expensive permits have just been done away with, and also the chinese and nepali government(is there a nepali government?) have just agreed to open a direct bus route from kathmandu to lhasa. also what we think of tibet today(xizang to the chinese, utsang to the tibetans) is actually only one third of the old tibet or what you could call ethnographic tibet. parts of the other provinces - sichuan, gansu, qinghai, - are also fully tibetan(kham and amdo). in fact some may say these regions are more like tibet was years ago as they havnt been so han-ified. iv been round tibet in january and had a wonderful eye opening time, and now planning to go in june to amdo to visit a friends family (my friends a refugee in mcloed). i wish more people would visit tibet, it helps the locals a lot.

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Mar 30th, 2005, 16:22	#2
Samsara Sentient Being Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 509	Well, I think there are some people really interested in Tibet too here so I guess this message board would be O.K. in this Crossing the Border section for Tibetan info. BTW I saw a great book in the bookshop today called "For Tibet, With Love - A Beginner's Guide to Changing the World" by Isabel Losado. It was in the travel section. I've got it earmarked to get in the future to read, it looks good. The author concentrates on Tibet in her goal to make a small difference in the world she lives in.

Mar 31st, 2005, 11:34	#4
Kiki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 153	Thanks for the info. I was refused entry to Tibet University (which is why I was planning to go...to study Tibetan there) because I had been in Darjeeling! Go figure. About the Patrick French book...I HATED that book! So full of misinformation and cynicism and garbage. Ugh. Anyway, should I ever be fortunate enough to go to Tibet, I will check out the Borders section of this very site. Thanks again.

Mar 31st, 2005, 12:22	#5
dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,979	Kiki, did you read Jamyang Norbu's review of Patrick French's book? Man, he hated it! You can find the review on the Times of Tibet website. Maybe the Chinese think Darjeeling and Kalimpong are still hotbeds of Tibetan espionage and intrigue? Well, they used to be, but I suspect those days are gone ... Have you read John Knaus's book Orphans of the Cold War, about the Tibetan guerilla resistance? Lots about Darjeeling and Kalimpong.

Apr 3rd, 2005, 13:14	#7
monkgonemad Aimless Drifter, Shiftless Idler, Useless Waster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SoEastAsia/AsiaSubCont Posts: 416	i dontthink you can (easily) get from kashi to tibet. the tibetan plateau the roads do not run to tibet if memory serves -nor via the kkh (which would require a trip to paki incidently)

Apr 4th, 2005, 10:57	#9
monkgonemad Aimless Drifter, Shiftless Idler, Useless Waster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SoEastAsia/AsiaSubCont Posts: 416	neomadd: have you done this before? i am very interested in goingto tibet now as i had seen on cctv9 yesterday that the railway will be complete by years end -hence, if tibetan culture has not been destroyed yet, it will be shortly. ive put off for years ging out of visa hassle cold and laziness. ive dreamed of kashi for years but that too i have yet to do forsame reasons although ive been to paki and done kkh. ok, i dont want to take a tour although if it were basically costed out to be net/net basic price for transport cheap room/s -i might consider. i was thinking in june to enter yunnan and then make my way to tibet (2 mos) china. then x to nepal and then x to india in the hp region. my questions (not to hijack the thread): could i.... get into china on two month visa, see yunnan > kashi > ali [via hotan?] (you say?) > tibet > nepal (kathmandu) > somewhere x to india is it doable -the chinese leg of this independantly? how bout xing to nepal? big thanks!!

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