Protests in Tibet

amarama · Mar 17th, 2008, 03:40

dzibead, You are a product of the American school sysyem? You really understand WWII history, and the present day econmy. You hit the nail on the head. right on!

Ignite · Mar 17th, 2008, 03:45

Investors await bear report, fed meeting.

Just by reading this article you can decide for yourself if the recession we're in right now is because of George W or the housing market/credit crisis.

"Wall Street is facing a paradox of sorts right now as the damage from the credit crisis continues -- the more investors find out about the problems caused by billions of dollars in failed mortgages and investments, the more unknowns seem to crop up."

I rest my case

Wanderer22 · Mar 17th, 2008, 03:55

It looks like things are getting tense for Tibetans in Nepal at the moment.

Sirensongs has a first hand report on her blog....
http://sirensongs.blogspot.com/

W22

Sama · Mar 17th, 2008, 04:00

Dalai Lama Won't Stop Tibet Protests

NY Times:

"MCLEODGANJ, India — The Dalai Lama said Sunday that he would not instruct his followers inside Tibet to surrender before Chinese authorities, and he described feeling “helpless” in preventing what he feared could be an imminent blood bath.

“I do feel helpless,” he said in response to a question at a wide-ranging, emotionally charged news conference here in what has served as the headquarters of the Tibetan government in exile for nearly 40 years. “I feel very sad, very serious, very anxious. Cannot do anything,”

His aides said they had received reports from Tibet of 80 killings on Thursday and Friday alone, in and around the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, including 26 slain just outside a prison called Drapchi. Chinese state media has reported 10 deaths and characterized most of them as shopkeepers ”burned to death” during protests."

later in the story it says:

"The Indian authorities, meanwhile, found themselves in an uncomfortable diplomatic spot. The Indian police earlier last week had arrested a group of demonstrators who vowed to walk roughly 900 miles from here to Lhasa, but allowed a second group to set off Saturday morning unimpeded.

India has hosted Tibetan refugees since the Dalai Lama’s exodus in 1959, but on condition that they not protest against Chinese government on Indian soil. New Delhi’s efforts to warm up to Beijing in recent years has made the Tibet issue an exceptionally tricky matter.”

I think a poster mentioned that condition earlier? or was that in the other thread on Tibet?

and I think I'll move the posts on the US economy and George Bush to their own separate forum....

Dilliwala · Mar 17th, 2008, 04:46

Not ROT: China has no legitimate claim on Arunachal. A future sovereign, independent Tibet has.

vistet · Mar 17th, 2008, 05:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by YogaGal

India has hosted Tibetan refugees since the Dalai Lama’s exodus in 1959, but on condition that they not protest against Chinese government on Indian soil. New Delhi’s efforts to warm up to Beijing in recent years has made the Tibet issue an exceptionally tricky matter.”

I think a poster mentioned that condition earlier? or was that in the other thread on Tibet?

The agreement was between the Dalai Lama , not as a private individual as it often portrayed in India and the west , but as head of the Kashag , the Tibetan government.

There is no agreement between the refugees coming today (who are born after the DL´s flight to India) and the GOI . Any such agreement should be illegal : you can´t demand or give up your right of expression , something that should be more easily recognised in a democratic state.

As for the original agreement , there is the question if the new , democratic exile government is bound by the ancien regime´s commitments under the Dalai Lama - who is now not a member of it.

Ignite · Mar 17th, 2008, 05:38

This is the same case as US vs. Great Britian back in the 1700's, except in this case there's no france to back up Tibet. The US should be tibet's strongest supporter in its fight for independence, sadly thats not whats happening. What's the point of having the UN if imperialism is very much still alive?

edwardseco · Mar 17th, 2008, 06:58

Consider the realities of backing people in a strategically difficult to reach area immediately accessible by the powerful imperial army. The CIA did this in the 60's to no avail. It encouraged India to foolishly confront China and that resulted in a humiliating defeat and loss of territory. Better to understand and live with reality..

Ignite · Mar 17th, 2008, 07:30

But, thats why we have the UN right? So that one country doesn't have to stand up against an aggressor?

crvlvr · Mar 17th, 2008, 12:24

Looks likes things are getting worse:

China sends in troops...

edwardseco · Mar 17th, 2008, 13:30

What is the UN but a group of some of the most corrupt and sorry excuses for countries around? Its only a first or second effort at a very long struggle for this planet. UN peacekeepers are at best impotent and at worst great participants in the sex trade. I doubt they are ready to take on 3rd rate insurgents much less the Chinese army. Remember who provided the muscle behind the UN effort in Korea and I really don't see people going that way again..

dzibead · Mar 17th, 2008, 13:43

In addition, consider that the PRC is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Security Council decisions on all substantive matters require the affirmative votes of nine members. A negative vote by a permanent member prevents adoption of a proposal, even if it received the required number of affirmative votes. So the UN isn't going to be taking any actions against the PRC any time soon.

Ignite · Mar 17th, 2008, 13:53

Well....then maybe its time to dissolve it, just like the League of Nations?

Nick-H · Mar 17th, 2008, 14:47

Boing Boing is keeping up with reporting the situation and giving useful links. Here's the news that China has blocked YouTube

Nick-H · Mar 17th, 2008, 14:57

What to do? So many of us are upset that nobody in the world has ever backed up Tibet but---

China does not give a toss about diplomatic protest; the Chinese Govt has complete contempt for the views of the rest of the world.

I don't think it would even care about stringent economic sanctions either. OK, so we stop importing their plastic toys and electronics and China's economic booms stops. The leaders will cover it all up with some ideological claptrap

So perhaps USA sends the troops in to liberate Tibet. Hello World War 3.

My knowledge of world affairs is simplistic and naive, at best, but I don't think I'm too far off reality on this.

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Mar 17th, 2008, 04:00	#124
Sama a pain in the asana Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the India inside my heart Posts: 5,545	Dalai Lama Won't Stop Tibet Protests NY Times: "MCLEODGANJ, India — The Dalai Lama said Sunday that he would not instruct his followers inside Tibet to surrender before Chinese authorities, and he described feeling “helpless” in preventing what he feared could be an imminent blood bath. “I do feel helpless,” he said in response to a question at a wide-ranging, emotionally charged news conference here in what has served as the headquarters of the Tibetan government in exile for nearly 40 years. “I feel very sad, very serious, very anxious. Cannot do anything,” His aides said they had received reports from Tibet of 80 killings on Thursday and Friday alone, in and around the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, including 26 slain just outside a prison called Drapchi. Chinese state media has reported 10 deaths and characterized most of them as shopkeepers ”burned to death” during protests." later in the story it says: "The Indian authorities, meanwhile, found themselves in an uncomfortable diplomatic spot. The Indian police earlier last week had arrested a group of demonstrators who vowed to walk roughly 900 miles from here to Lhasa, but allowed a second group to set off Saturday morning unimpeded. India has hosted Tibetan refugees since the Dalai Lama’s exodus in 1959, but on condition that they not protest against Chinese government on Indian soil. New Delhi’s efforts to warm up to Beijing in recent years has made the Tibet issue an exceptionally tricky matter.” I think a poster mentioned that condition earlier? or was that in the other thread on Tibet? and I think I'll move the posts on the US economy and George Bush to their own separate forum.... __________________ *My India, 2005-2008* sama: Pali/Sanskrit: that state of consciousness which reflects neither attachment nor aversion

Mar 17th, 2008, 14:47	#134
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,411	Boing Boing is keeping up with reporting the situation and giving useful links. Here's the news that China has blocked YouTube __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

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Mar 17th, 2008, 03:40	#121
amarama Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: very near the Mexican border Posts: 164	dzibead, You are a product of the American school sysyem? You really understand WWII history, and the present day econmy. You hit the nail on the head. right on!

Mar 17th, 2008, 03:55	#123
Wanderer22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 472	It looks like things are getting tense for Tibetans in Nepal at the moment. Sirensongs has a first hand report on her blog.... http://sirensongs.blogspot.com/ W22

Mar 17th, 2008, 04:46	#125
Dilliwala Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: 28N 077E / दिल्ली Posts: 4,067	Not ROT: China has no legitimate claim on Arunachal. A future sovereign, independent Tibet has.

Mar 17th, 2008, 05:38	#127
Ignite Guru Pitka Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The City of Angels Posts: 786	This is the same case as US vs. Great Britian back in the 1700's, except in this case there's no france to back up Tibet. The US should be tibet's strongest supporter in its fight for independence, sadly thats not whats happening. What's the point of having the UN if imperialism is very much still alive?

Mar 17th, 2008, 06:58	#128
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,436	Consider the realities of backing people in a strategically difficult to reach area immediately accessible by the powerful imperial army. The CIA did this in the 60's to no avail. It encouraged India to foolishly confront China and that resulted in a humiliating defeat and loss of territory. Better to understand and live with reality..

Mar 17th, 2008, 07:30	#129
Ignite Guru Pitka Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The City of Angels Posts: 786	But, thats why we have the UN right? So that one country doesn't have to stand up against an aggressor?

Mar 17th, 2008, 12:24	#130
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: On the move in India.. Posts: 4,535	Looks likes things are getting worse: China sends in troops...

Mar 17th, 2008, 13:30	#131
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,436	What is the UN but a group of some of the most corrupt and sorry excuses for countries around? Its only a first or second effort at a very long struggle for this planet. UN peacekeepers are at best impotent and at worst great participants in the sex trade. I doubt they are ready to take on 3rd rate insurgents much less the Chinese army. Remember who provided the muscle behind the UN effort in Korea and I really don't see people going that way again..

Mar 17th, 2008, 13:43	#132
dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,207	In addition, consider that the PRC is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Security Council decisions on all substantive matters require the affirmative votes of nine members. A negative vote by a permanent member prevents adoption of a proposal, even if it received the required number of affirmative votes. So the UN isn't going to be taking any actions against the PRC any time soon.

Mar 17th, 2008, 13:53	#133
Ignite Guru Pitka Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The City of Angels Posts: 786	Well....then maybe its time to dissolve it, just like the League of Nations?

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Mar 17th, 2008, 14:57	#135
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 28,411	What to do? So many of us are upset that nobody in the world has ever backed up Tibet but--- China does not give a toss about diplomatic protest; the Chinese Govt has complete contempt for the views of the rest of the world. I don't think it would even care about stringent economic sanctions either. OK, so we stop importing their plastic toys and electronics and China's economic booms stops. The leaders will cover it all up with some ideological claptrap So perhaps USA sends the troops in to liberate Tibet. Hello World War 3. My knowledge of world affairs is simplistic and naive, at best, but I don't think I'm too far off reality on this.