Protests in Tibet

machadinha

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment of the Tibetan order the way it was not very long ago, however:

This seems to suggest that the Chinese (like most invaders' throughout history) noble cause was to alleviate the backwardness and suffering of those they came to occupy, as the Chinese (as in: the official reading needless to say, not its people per se) are certainly prone to claim (by that same token, the Cultural Revolution -- though officially lamented now I believe -- worked a lot of wonders as well of course, as it certainly did in Tibet too. I'm being cynical to say the least of course in case it's not obvious.)

Wonder if this isn't turning things around, in a classic chicken-and-egg sort of way. It also completely ignores Chinese claims to, and attempts at control of with varying degrees of success, Tibetan territory over the many preceding centuries.

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Nick-H

That is a very good point; as far as I'm aware, the Chinese wanted Tibet's land and natural resources, and that was their only reason for invading the land.

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Bundolo

Very interesting posts. I don't need a Ration Card 'cause I'm no Bangladeshi, I'm an Indian. Bangladeshis have their own country but what about the Tibetans. A Bangladeshi can claim to be an Indian as he looks like one and what can you do about it, nothing.

Tibet was supposed to be a buffer state between India and China why doesn't GOI see that reason and allow China to lay claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

machadinha

Indeed; having a welcome buffer also springs to mind. As all the powers-that-be at the time sought there during the "Great Game."

machadinha

Can you kindly remind us what if anything this has to do with international Tibetan protests which are the topic of the thread? I seem to have lost the clue somewhere down the line.

amarama

As nick H said, China invaded over land and resources, but, in the bigger picture, Tibet is dealing with their own karma.

Kingstonian

Any hints as to when the other governments will get to deal with theirs?

amarama

2009. Their economy is going to crash. I view the government as an empty vessel. Controled by very powerful demons. So their Karma will be something like they become that which gives them power. Karma is collected as the power decreases. Hurting a monk, a lama, or holy man, that is the kind of debt that can not be repaid.

Nick-H

People, human beings, flesh and blood first. The robes don't increase the crime.

Appreciate your feelings though --- and I also wonder, whatever our personal feelings about the Chinese regime might be, what the fallout for the rest of the world would be if China's economy was to crash. We are having enough problems just now as fall out from the USA's economy.

amarama

once george W is out of office the US economy is going to improve. The dollar is going to soar. Remember money is not lost, it is just redistrbuted. In your retirement, I would worry more of enviromental problem than economic. Both of which China will hold much blame.

brownboy66

after a few protesters tried to storm the Chinese Embassy here in Delhi yesterday - a one block perimeter has been put in place around the entire compound. All traffic is being diverted - and no vehicles and being allowed anywhere near the area (except for other embassy vehicles in the area). Extra armed police have been stationed around the walls of the compound...

Nick-H

Not an expert here, but the damage done cannot be undone just by a change of boss. Even if the new president has different views and different policies, the repair process may be long.

Yes, just a new President may increase the world's confidence in America --- but that in itself is no threat to China. A recovering America may be buying even more from China.

Somebody in an other thread recently commented that USA's debt to China is so huge --- any decline in China's economy could be gloomy for USA.

amarama

Yes Nick H the road to recovery will be long. Somethings not recovering for generations to come. The dollar is worthless, confidence in the dollar is what is important.If the dollar keeps falling and wages do not increase, USofA will be the place for China to by there cheap goods. Should we throw an attack on Iran into the picture. Will China and Russia sit on the sidelines while the USA threatens their finacial intrests??? This is all about a one world power putting on side shows to keep people distracted. In the near future, there will be a one world economy, where the only thing cheap will be labor.

dzibead

If Barack Obama gets the Democratic nomination and is elected, that will likely lead to more rapid end to U.S. involvement in Iraq, which would end the completely INSANE military spending that has involved. That spending is one of the fundamental reasons the U.S. economy is on the ropes. Check out these articles:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174884
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...stiglitz200804

As for the the relationship between the U.S. economy and the Chinese economy, that's bound to change as increasing inflation in China drives up prices for their manufactured goods. This is already having an effect in the U.S., and the effect is exacerbated by the fact that consumer spending is down in the U.S. because of other economic woes. This shift might actually help the U.S. manufacturing sector in the long run. But I don't know that China's economy would necessarily collapse if it stopped repressing Tibetans - although the Chinese Communist Party certainly views (probably correctly) anything that might lead to greater autonomy for minority groups, or to democratization, as that threat its -- the Party's -- power, even to the Party's continued existence.

machadinha

Ah, that resolves it then. How could it be overseen, indeed.